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Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by TZubiri »

Another one bites the dust

What a blunder, they resisted AI for like 2 years when it was all the buzz, and now when the bubble is about to bust and every user has AI fatigue they decide to finally dip into the fad?

Before it was as if avoiding AI was a conscious design decision, and if there was an AI crash, Apple would be the only survivor left. Now it feels like they weren't in on the meme out of incompetence and are now late to the party.

No one can know what Jobs' stance would be, but I like to think he would be anti-slop

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Maxion wrote: post #197
ainch wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They say it's because the EU's DMA would require them to open up device data to third-party assistants, and they'd no longer be able to guarantee user privacy. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

I'd love to select Mistral over Google Gemini.

> I'd love to select Mistral over Google Gemini

Apple doesn’t want to configure its private cloud to run every model. This seems fine.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by bensyverson »

kube-system wrote: post #98
bensyverson wrote: post #2

I would love to learn more about what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. Are they using flagship Gemini models behind their own prompts? Fine-tuning? Pre-training their own models based on Gemini? Is there a meaningful distinction between the Gemini-powered models and Apple Foundation Models? Does that distinction vary for on-device vs hosted models? Are some models running on Apple's Private Cloud Compute a…

> what's actually powering Apple Intelligence now. It's a 3B Apple Foundation model. https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/introducing-apple... If you've got a mac, you can use this to play around with it: https://apfel.franzai.com/

It's more complicated than that (see my edit above).

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by wmf »

spogbiper wrote: post #175
wmf wrote: post #81

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Because Apple has Private Cloud Compute tech that other vendors do not have.

I have created a more private cloud compute that is superior to Apple's implementation. Why can't Apple users choose my better service?

That would be a good argument to take to the EU.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by e28eta »

spogbiper wrote: post #175
wmf wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Apple has Private Cloud Compute tech that other vendors do not have.

I have created a more private cloud compute that is superior to Apple's implementation. Why can't Apple users choose my better service?

Sounds like Apple offered to implement that, but it didn’t fit the EU’s requirements.

I suspect if you paid apple enough money, and were willing to prove that your personal Private Cloud Compute did meet their requirements, it wouldn’t be impossible.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by hypfer »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #11
pishpash wrote: post #8

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Gemini (at least public free version) hallucinates way too much. If it's like that, it can go very badly for Apple.

I used Gemini exclusively via the API but downloaded the app last week for something. Even on max settings, it is ridiculously nerfed!

Unfortunately, even the API variant got RLHF'd pretty hard into being that dumb end-user assistant personality :(

But beside that, I feel like the app variant got worse the day they've had that wwdc-style release thing recently.

Previously it was a sparring partner that could actually keep up. But now it just doesn't.

Truly a shame. And nothing that could be fixed by local models any time soon, given that you need the size for the (cross-)domain knowledge.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by troupo »

bigfudge wrote: post #138
troupo wrote: post #89

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Translation: Since it's the user 's device, not Apple's, EU correctly "interprets" this as the user has the right to do whatever they please, including installing third-party chat apps. Apple are just bulshitters when it comes to actual users, and not their corporate definition of a user. BTW, did you know that in Japan, and in Japan only, you can change the Siri shortcut button to start other voice assistants? https…

This is such a shallow take. There are obvious privacy and security tradeoffs here. The EU competition framework is good in many ways, but this is actually something I don’t think we have the regulatory frameworks in place to handle yet , or social norms and understanding about why giving any Tom dick and Harry root on all your data is a bad idea. It’s paternalistic, but I agree with Apple that free for all access to…

There's nothing shallow about my take.

Apple uses "privacy and security" as a cudgel to prevent anyone from breaking into the vendor lock in. To the point that EU actually had to explicitly tell Apple what to do [1], as Apple delayed features, made them extremely hard or convoluted for third-parties to use, and pulled every trick out of the malicious compliance manual.

This whole virtual assistants thing will drag on for another several years.

Edit: I mean they show their models accessing and changing a password on the user's bank site at the same time as accessing and changing passwords on another random site. Which is one prompt away from exfiltrating user data. So spare me the "Apple knows best about privacy and security so they should keep any access to their platforms locked down"

[1] https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/developer-portal/in...

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by jmull »

satvikpendem wrote: post #166
jmull wrote: post #58

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> ...closer to a cult... When you have to image a highly irrational reason to explain why groups of people do the things they do, there's a decent chance you just don't understand their perspective. They may be acting reasonably rationally from their own perspective. (As you said yourself: "I honestly don't understand...")

One can be rational but still be in a bubble or cult.

I think it's pretty clear that the previous poster characterized the Apple brand as a cult to specifically express the idea that people have an irrational devotion to it.

Re: Apple reveals new AI architecture built around Google Gemini models

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Post by nottorp »

t0mas88 wrote: post #41
slopinthebag wrote: post #27

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Because privacy is actually a big feature, many people are skeptical about AI and the big model providers and don't trust them. They're less skeptical about on-device AI and so Apple is pushing that and making privacy a core feature of their online offering as well. I probably wouldn't use it without that. It's one thing sending my shitty code to be trained on, and another thing entirely to give these companies acces…

That still doesn't explain why my data can only be sent to Apple and not to another vendor of my choice.

Oh by the way, who decides if the data stays on device or gets sent to Apple?

I bet it's Apple and not the user.

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