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Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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Re: Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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Sorry, it was meant to be a bit of fun and I wasn't expecting it to get on HN front page (developer).

How dare you have fun on your website. Hacker News users are super serious, busy, important startup people. You've just disrupted my zen flow for my super productive day.

You forgot to mention "cognitive context switching."

Re: Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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Looks like the exchange rate didn't fluctuate too much during this time: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg5ztgSzbgBzm1g10zm... I wonder what will happen to the difficulty over the next couple days: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ Considering the exchange rate remained stable, I expect the difficulty to halve.

> I expect the difficulty to halve. Why would it? Those who have invested in dedicated mining hardware aren't going to switch it off just because the reward has halved. At least not until mining fails to pay for the electricity that goes into it (but I don't expect that will ever happen.)

>(but I don't expect that will ever happen.)

You mean happen again? Like it did last summer?

Re: Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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Nobody is, that's why it's usually pissing everyone. A "Party" button might have done a better job.

Some kind of fuse or something to show what was about to happen with a 'stop' button might have been better. I don't think anyone would click a 'party' button.

Because nobody opens tabs in the background.

Re: Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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This sounds like good business. Any links on getting started? I'm especially curious about the legal aspects like how you report mined-Bitcoin income when you do taxes.

I don't think that the government could tax it, as it's not money :) I'm not a lawyer or anything even close, but if your income is not money, but something else (e.g. potatoes), would that be taxed?

Yes, absolutely. Many countries tax barter exchange. The IRS has a whole section on their site about it: http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Em...

Re: Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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This sounds like good business. Any links on getting started? I'm especially curious about the legal aspects like how you report mined-Bitcoin income when you do taxes.

I don't think that the government could tax it, as it's not money :) I'm not a lawyer or anything even close, but if your income is not money, but something else (e.g. potatoes), would that be taxed?

Bitcoins seem like capital items to me and I fully expect governments to treat them as such. If bitcoins become widely used enough people who haven't been careful will be facing investigation by the IRS or equivalent in their own country. It would not surprise me at all to hear of some large confiscations of computer equipment and bitcoin wallets by the IRS at some point in the future.

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I think that the sustainability issue can be managed with bloom filters etc, but you are correct. Under the current model where the entire block chain must be in the possession of every client, Bitcoin is not remotely close to sustainable. Imagine if, in order to process credit cards, you had to download transaction data for every credit card transaction in the history of credit cards. What surprises me is that the o…

So, what I don't get is why can't I, as a user, just pick how far back I want to go? Why can't some trusted party, like bitcoin.org post a their best guess for the block chain state 10 days ago. Isn't that sufficient to determine with a high level of certainty that I am on the correct branch and that there has been no funny business in the history?

Yes, it is, but the whole point of Bitcoin is to not rely on any central entity. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be entirely possible if we are to make Bitcoin mainstream.

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How dare you have fun on your website. Hacker News users are super serious, busy, important startup people. You've just disrupted my zen flow for my super productive day.

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Re: Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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So, what I don't get is why can't I, as a user, just pick how far back I want to go? Why can't some trusted party, like bitcoin.org post a their best guess for the block chain state 10 days ago. Isn't that sufficient to determine with a high level of certainty that I am on the correct branch and that there has been no funny business in the history?

Yes, it is, but the whole point of Bitcoin is to not rely on any central entity. Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be entirely possible if we are to make Bitcoin mainstream.

I guess I long ago decided that Bitcoin was interesting enough with just the possibility of not having to rely on a central authority/entity.

More to the point, however, is that this isn't really an issue of an authority, but rather an issue of trust. If I for whatever reason decided not to trust Bitcoin.org, someone else could take their place. For instance, I could get my recent state of the block-chain from a pal that I trust to do the actual task of verifying the full chain. I could even pay that person some fee periodically for providing that service. You could probably come up with a distributed, fraud resistant, method of providing recent block chain states where many sources would have to be simultaneously compromised for any attack.

Re: Bitcoin Block #210 000 mined - reward halving

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Is it time to haunt eBay for cheap video cards unloaded by miners who no longer find mining worthwhile?

I'd say give it another month or two. Many are still able to mine profitably if they have 4x cards per rig (dividing the "fixed (power) costs" of motherboard, psu, etc). Once ASIC mining hardware comes online, GPUs will be completely worthless for Bitcoin mining.

But if you see a deal, by all means grab it.

* Disclosure, I am the community manager for a GPU-centric Bitcoin mining pool

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Where do you get the $0.15/kWh figure from? I am curious, since this seems to make it sound like there is a stable formula for converting kWh's to BTC's. That will of course depend on the exchange rate, but I'd like to see the figures.

http://bitcoinx.com/profit/ Settings: Profitability decline = 1, Hardware Cost = 0, Time Frame (months) = .033333 (1 day), Electricity Cost = $0.15 Profit: -0.56 USD/day For this example (1200MH @ 750W) you need electricity to be My rig (2x7970) does about (1400MH @ 650W) and electricity @ $0.16 is my break even point (Profit: 0.01 USD/day)

Bear in mind that most people's GPU mining rigs use cards that are a lot less efficient than the 7970, especially any remaining large-scale GPU miners.
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