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Re: Siri AI

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Post by sleepybrett »

avarun wrote: post #23
seaal wrote: post #13

>Fix passwords with a tap. >The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle. Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.

1Password has been able to do this for five+ years. Frankly, it doesn't even really need agentic AI, although a talented team could probably make it perform better with agentic AI. I don't really believe in Apple being that quality team.

I mean every api/app/website has a different way to do this. If there was a standardized api that everyone could conform to to allow this automation I would be all for it. I assume 1p does this by writing custom code/rules for dealing with the most popular sites out there and then erroring out for anything else.

AI could potentially help solve those unpopular site/app/whatever edgecase.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by testfrequency »

minimaxir wrote: post #8

I wonder how much of Siri AI is Apple-developed and how much of it is Google-developed as a result of Gemini. The a) search demos and b) image generation demos seem unlikely to have been done by Apple alone, the demos being closer to Google Search and Nano Banana respectively.

There was not a single thing they launched that I have not seen Gemini already showcase capability or existing feature wise

Re: Siri AI

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Post by yalogin »

The chatbots(ChatGPT, Claude et al) showed Apple exactly what can be done, the user base is already well primed. So this is a product definition done for them to execute. If done well they will be able to provide a much stronger integration into the day to day use cases than the chatbots, and can siphon off user time from them. This time around the end to end is easier with Apple Intelligence and more importantly llms doing the work Apple is floundering at. So I am hopeful, but I still see the os/app level integration as not enough in terms of functionality to make it a hit. The primary use case for llms is still conversations and search. Apple should be focusing on that aspect primarily and also add the os/app level integration as a bonus - as something only they can do. If they just do the latter, it will not be as much of a success. Let’s see how they execute.

EDIT: To provide meaningful chat functionality they have to either eat up the cost or charge a subscription for it. This will be first time they charge for Siri - a product that doesn’t garner any positive reviews. This gets even more interesting to watch

Re: Siri AI

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Post by cindyllm »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #57

Great, as long as I can switch it off and use my phone as I always have, I'm happy for them. I can't wait to take a photo of a cricket ball and ask it what it is, ffs. These people need to get out, touch grass, watch trees swaying in the breeze, and put their phones down before they lose toonmany neurons.

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Re: Siri AI

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Post by reconnecting »

amelius wrote: post #50
reconnecting wrote: post #5

Amazing how this time Apple found the `sweet spot` to release Siri AI when the letter combination A and I has fed up literally everyone.

Amazing how someone again finds a meaningless thing Apple does better than the rest then blows it out of proportions. Makes you wonder if they are on Apple's PR team.

It looks bad from every perspective. I've never seen two apple's in one URL for product category before. apple.com/apple-intelligence

To prove my point, I opened a random date on the Apple website matching today's date to compare. 16 years ago, June 8 (1) Apple released the iPhone 4. There's still no room for jokes about that release, and from this perspective, calling their AI 'Apple Intelligence' feels weak compared to what they used to deliver.

I agree that some years ago Apple was the strongest in marketing, their brand team had been setting the bar for tech, but I simply can't say that anymore.

1. https://web.archive.org/web/20100608073904/http://www.apple....

Re: Siri AI

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Post by crancher »

speak_plainly wrote: post #35

The demo Mike Rockwell gave at WWDC was interesting. He kinda showed off Siri as like the Star Trek computer for your phone. I hope this is the direction Apple is going to continue in. Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing.

I think the key thing is that Spotlight is now creating a... knowledge graph? of everything on your device for Siri's consideration. That's potentially very useful.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by thewebguyd »

devindotcom wrote: post #21
thewebguyd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks almost entirely like gemini. The images they showed are obviously nano banana, and the text responses are almost obviously Gemini (I say as a somewhat frequent Gemini user). I'm sure they customized some of it, but this looks basically like Gemini integrated with iCloud instead of Google Workspace.

I'm curious what the obvious tells were for you. I never use any of these tools so I do wonder what sets them apart for those in frequent contact.

The images were the biggest tell, generating using a reference photo of a person, at least Gemini and ChatGPT have two distinct styles. ChatGPT is a little less uncanny valley than Gemini which tries to be too realistic looking, in a bad way because it tries to preserve the original person in the photo, but still can't seem to help altering facial features.

The text responses had Gemini's verbosity. Asking ChatGPT to show me iconic dishes from both Brazil and Morocco (Apple's example), is much cleaner, less verbose. Quick list of dishes and links to the recipe. Gemini just spews a wall of text and bullet points and goes on and on with fluff. Tons of "What this dish is" "Why it works" Same with its frequent use of tables, which I see less of with ChatGPT.

Each Siri demo they did in the keynote had that hallmark verbosity I typically get with Gemini without prompting it to not do that.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by ryukoposting »

graypegg wrote: post #19
reconnecting wrote: post #5

Amazing how this time Apple found the `sweet spot` to release Siri AI when the letter combination A and I has fed up literally everyone.

Watching the keynote at our office on a big screen and everyone collectively sighing when they announced the name felt indicative haha. I think it just feels uncreative? Siri as a brand has some value, but if you want it to feel like a watershed moment where old Siri is "behind us" finally, just give it a new name.

Or just keep calling it Siri, and announce "hey look, Siri does some cool new things."

AI is a technology, not a product. Consumers don't care about technologies, they care about what the product does versus what they currently have.

I think Jobs was an asshole, but one good thing I can say about him is that he understood the difference between technology and products. Imagine if they had called it the "iPod HDD."

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