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Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by skrtskrt »

adrian_b wrote: post #70
flerchin wrote: post #62

Are more young people getting cancer? How much? What kinds?

From TFA: "in the United States, the incidence of advanced colorectal cancer has increased by about 3% each year since around 2010 in people between the ages of 20 and 49. In 2023, colorectal cancer became the leading cause of cancer death in this age group." Also in TFA: "Uterine cancer and liver cancer diagnoses and deaths are rising in young women" The increases in colorectal and liver cancers seem to point to unh…

The article is paywalled, so I cannot tell if they mention the link to PFAS/PFOS: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004565352...

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by wemwemwem »

margalabargala wrote: post #88
talkingtab wrote: post #69

What I find interesting is the concept of dead food versus live food. This is just something I wonder about. For example a dead apple is one that was picked a year ago, sold today, kept in storage until now. Long shelf life - is the crucial change in our eating that I can see. When was the last time you had a fresh apple? Does the food industry want us to consider the health benefits of a dead apple versus a living a…

> I keep wondering why. Mainly because the distinction you are making doesn't actually exist. An apple doesn't "lose" anything by being stored. There are no preservatives, just refrigeration. The apple will proceed to go bad just as quickly once taken out of storage, and it will be just as nutritious as if you had eaten that same apple fresh off the tree. You can also take that same apple that's been in storage for a…

This is simply not true. A calorie is a calorie might be true, and its hard to know which is healthier for any single fresh vs storage example but plenty of chemical processes are going on. It could certainly be the case that a small number of storage examples where particular changes occur cause particular risks that account for a significant portion of cancer.

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by spacechild1 »

talkingtab wrote: post #69

What I find interesting is the concept of dead food versus live food. This is just something I wonder about. For example a dead apple is one that was picked a year ago, sold today, kept in storage until now. Long shelf life - is the crucial change in our eating that I can see. When was the last time you had a fresh apple? Does the food industry want us to consider the health benefits of a dead apple versus a living a…

> For example a dead apple is one that was picked a year ago, sold today, kept in storage until now.

It has always been normal for certain fruits and vegetables, such as apples, pears, potatoes, etc. to be stored for months in a cellar. In the old days, you simple could not get a fresh apple outside harvest time.

Your concept of "dead food vs live food" seems rather questionable.

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by nonethewiser »

strictnein wrote: post #91

If I had to bet, it would be on HPV causing a majority of the rise in colorectal cancer. It is a major cause of throat cancer in men[0] and causes almost 100% of cervical cancer in women[1]. We have had a significant increase in anal sex over the past 10+ years[2] and are now seeing an increase in colorectal cancer. "Britain has found that the proportion of 16- to 24-year-olds engaging in heterosexual anal intercours…

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Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by opsnooperfax »

wavesounds wrote: post #27

This would be a great thing for all of the AI companies to devote some energy towards. Especially with their reputations in decline. Surely there must be some patterns the AIs could find if we had enough data about the people who died from cancer.

A dude at Oracle did that with a recent mass experiment of mRNA technology. We do not speak Of the results.

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by nonethewiser »

adrian_b wrote: post #70
flerchin wrote: post #62

Are more young people getting cancer? How much? What kinds?

From TFA: "in the United States, the incidence of advanced colorectal cancer has increased by about 3% each year since around 2010 in people between the ages of 20 and 49. In 2023, colorectal cancer became the leading cause of cancer death in this age group." Also in TFA: "Uterine cancer and liver cancer diagnoses and deaths are rising in young women" The increases in colorectal and liver cancers seem to point to unh…

Equally in straight/gay men/women?

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by procaryote »

gopalv wrote: post #11
noIdeaTheSecond wrote: post #2

My wild guess before reading the article: unhealthy food. A big part of which is herbicides and pesticides. I will now read the article.

My personal bugbear is the lack of sleep & entirely tied to the phone for that. I remember being in my 20s and not being able to sleep, but the most distracting thing I could reach for was a pile of books in my bedside table. Now, I can't sleep, there's an endless stream of things to keep me awake. The jokes about "5G gives you cancer" is probably not as funny, if you think about the sleep you miss while you doom scr…

As you know this, why don't you fix it?

What is forcing you to doom scroll rather than putting the phone in a different room before going do bed?

Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by [deleted] »

arthopacini wrote: post #74

for millions of years we were constantly fasting, then we hunted and killed animals, eating their protein and fat, no carbs, we were constantly in ketosis We recently begun eating carbs, And very very recently started eating tons of processed carbs (because now we got the tech) We are rarely in ketosis, and because of high carbs/sugar consumption, we start developing insulin resistance. (the idea is simple, we create…

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Re: Why are so many young people getting cancer?

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Post by aeturnum »

ragequittah wrote: post #71
aeturnum wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without counting anything out it's worth saying that artificial sweeteners are some of the most-tested food ingredients because of concern about their health impacts. It's possible that we missed something, but you have to weigh that against the chance we missed something about every other possible food ingredient (all of which have been tested less).

I used to be in this same boat whenever someone questioned my sugar-free drinks. Trust the science! Then more science saying new things about artificial sweeteners kept coming out. And then I personally (with the mindset of "they can't possibly do harm") started getting stomach issues that I can pretty much definitively link to any time I drink sucralose. Which is a shame because I loved me a coke zero. If I drink/ea…

I don't think it's worth going through and providing you links about the mischaracterizations in your post - as you seem to have your own sources - but your depiction of the history of scientific consensus is not accurate. As you say problems caused by sweeteners around weight gain, insulin regulation, etc are long documented. As are the many studies showing that sweeteners cause cancer at doses (100x+ iirc) far above those consumed by average humans.

That said, the topic here was on cancer, and even the WHO announcement about aspartame being possibly carcinogenic clarifies it's not for normal ranges of consumption. I think you're trying to make a boogie man out of scientists and researchers by mischaracterizing the complex work they do. If you feel that things have suddenly reversed course it's because you haven't been following the research.

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