Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Dopamine Fracking

igerman.cc

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

341–350 of 446 posts

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#341

Post by senordevnyc »

JohnBooty wrote: post #228
chownie wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other possibilities: * The people are not fine with bad strawberries but have no other choices available * The people are not fine with bad strawberries but can't afford better choices * The people are not fine with bad strawberries but they don't know good strawberries * The people are not fine with bad strawberries but they're cheap enough to ship and sell that there's no economic case for good strawberries, so no…

The people are not fine with bad strawberries but they don't know good strawberries You most definitely get this phenomenon with tomatoes. There’s little demand for actually good tomatoes, because most people don’t even know what a good tomato tastes like at this point. This applies to countless things, but tomatoes are a prime example because they deteriorate so quickly once picked relative to other fruits I guess.…

I see people constantly make this argument, and honestly I think it’s BS. I grew up eating tomatoes from my grandparents garden, and I’ve lived and traveled all over the world. I’ve grown tomatoes, bought them from roadside farmer stands, bought them at grocery stores, and had them in everything from hole in the wall restaurants in developing countries to Michelin three star restaurants on multiple different continents.

Today’s grocery tomatoes are fine. And my grocery stores generally have 5-10 varieties too.

Yes, you can get better ones, but not to where it’s some religious experience that will forever ruin grocery store tomatoes.

On top of that, most people really don’t care that much, not because they don’t know any better, but because the cost and convenience factor trumps the slight subjective increase in quality. I doubt most people could even tell the difference between two tomatoes of the same type and ripeness if one came from the grocery store and the other from a backyard garden.

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#342

Post by kakacik »

aaroninsf wrote: post #338
ghurtado wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem of 8yr olds watching too much YouTube is definitely not one for YouTube to fix. We're quickly getting to a point where all parenting is delegated to people and institutions that have nothing to do with raising children. And then we complain that our kids are not being raised properly. We don't even know who to blame for this any more.

This reads like literal propaganda. Every assertion of personal responsibility (sic) in the face of billion to trillion dollar industry spending is bad faith, zero exceptions. British Petroleum invented the concept of personal climate footprint. That was bad faith and to put a point on it, evil. Tech industry claims that engagement farming and addition manufacture should be opposed by "parenting" are even less credib…

Yes and no. Look around you and count how many properly failing parents there are. Parents who literally offload their parenting to a tablet, TV, phone, nanny which is often on phone herself, whatever. Then complain kids are unruly when they don't simply listen to them like soldiers. Parents, who are often as addicted to the screens (and more) as their kids. Recent studies showed above half of toddlers below 2 spend an hour or more daily on screens, thats fucked up.

I can count many such parents, way too many that I know. Kids before 5-6 should not access internet and should not watch TV. Don't trust me, trust children psychologists. Its toxic to their developing brains and personalities. Let them fuck up their lives on their own later if they must, don't give them hard addiction from the literal start of life, just because 'oh daddy has this super important work so doesn't have time to be a parent' syndrome, especially when its mostly empty pathetic soul draining white collar work with 0 added value to humanity.

And if one is truly changing the world for the better (as in 1 out of those maybe 10 humans actually currently doing it) and can't spare time for some kids, then don't have them, its not some freakin' checkbox ticked and moving to next challenge and achievement unlocked. Its by far the hardest effort one can make in one's life, spans over 2+ decades, be never 100% successful, while facing many real risks of failure completely outside of one's powers (no I don't mean peer pressure phones in school, rather ie health issues)

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#343

Post by hart_russell »

raincole wrote: post #49

> The Strawberry Example Is this really the best example the author could come up with? If you want fresh strawberries, you can just go to a supermarket and buy them. In many places you can get a few pounds per for less than the money you earn in one hour . It's pretty much a heaven compared to pre-industrial days. But I guess the analogy of fracking is pretty spot on, just in a way the author didn't realize -- the c…

I can tell you haven’t eaten a home grown strawberry before, because they’re not comparable.

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#344

Post by lazide »

kakacik wrote: post #342
aaroninsf wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like literal propaganda. Every assertion of personal responsibility (sic) in the face of billion to trillion dollar industry spending is bad faith, zero exceptions. British Petroleum invented the concept of personal climate footprint. That was bad faith and to put a point on it, evil. Tech industry claims that engagement farming and addition manufacture should be opposed by "parenting" are even less credib…

Yes and no. Look around you and count how many properly failing parents there are. Parents who literally offload their parenting to a tablet, TV, phone, nanny which is often on phone herself, whatever. Then complain kids are unruly when they don't simply listen to them like soldiers. Parents, who are often as addicted to the screens (and more) as their kids. Recent studies showed above half of toddlers below 2 spend…

And how many of those parents are spending 50+ hours a week (or more) working too?

There are finite fucks anyone can give, and if someone is working all day keeping a roof over their head, what else is it going to happen?

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#345

Post by lo_zamoyski »

nick__m wrote: post #289
barbs wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heh, I thought of maple syrup as well. And I'm ashamed to say I prefer the fake stuff! Although it's likely because it's what I had as a child, so there's a strong nostalgia factor.

What's the grade of the maple syrup you tried ? (the new grading system is stupid everything is grade A with a color name) In my opinion, The A golden is light and subtle, I don't know what it's for; it's the variety we sell in tourists, and to peoples that likes fancy bottles and higher prices! The A amber is great as a condiment in small quantities, for pancakes it's the best. The A dark is the best for cooking des…

This is where I would note that tastes can be deformed. It is possible, for various reasons, to acquire bad tastes (here, childhood nostalgia).

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#346

Post by tsss »

plastic-enjoyer wrote: post #101
tsss wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't act as if the cities in Europe look any different. I don't know what a "subscribe n save is" but I can find a Western Union, gambling hall and vape shop on every street corner.

> Don't act as if the cities in Europe look any different They do look different, claiming otherwise is just American cope

I'm not American. I live in Europe and know very well how it is here.

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#347

Post by mplanchard »

kakacik wrote: post #342
aaroninsf wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like literal propaganda. Every assertion of personal responsibility (sic) in the face of billion to trillion dollar industry spending is bad faith, zero exceptions. British Petroleum invented the concept of personal climate footprint. That was bad faith and to put a point on it, evil. Tech industry claims that engagement farming and addition manufacture should be opposed by "parenting" are even less credib…

Yes and no. Look around you and count how many properly failing parents there are. Parents who literally offload their parenting to a tablet, TV, phone, nanny which is often on phone herself, whatever. Then complain kids are unruly when they don't simply listen to them like soldiers. Parents, who are often as addicted to the screens (and more) as their kids. Recent studies showed above half of toddlers below 2 spend…

I think this is a “yes, and” kind of situation. Yes, a lot of parents suck, and yes, we should try to improve that situation, but also yes, we absolutely should punish megacorporations for making parents’ jobs harder by targeting children with their proven-to-be-harmful products.

Like, parents shouldn’t give cigarettes to their children, BUT ALSO it is both illegal and immoral for tobacco companies to target children.

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#348

Post by bondarchuk »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #340
ghurtado wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem of 8yr olds watching too much YouTube is definitely not one for YouTube to fix. We're quickly getting to a point where all parenting is delegated to people and institutions that have nothing to do with raising children. And then we complain that our kids are not being raised properly. We don't even know who to blame for this any more.

I'd like to agree but practically there are difficulties enforcing it. Anecdotally I know of some parents having a battle with their local school because their kids have been watching this sort of crap in kindergarten. Fundamentally it seems like building products designed to target children with harmful content, or content that substitutes for educational material, should not be accepted by society. So yes parents a…

Fundamentally it seems like kindergartens showing youtube videos to kids should not be accepted by society.

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#349

Post by initramfs »

Great article.

I've wanted to write an article about mulberries (long before this article), and the reason why they are not sold in grocery stores, is because of their precious shelf life and tendency to stain with gendle handling.

I recently read about CERN transporting antiprotons to another facility.

I then thought, if CERN can move antiprotons, surely someone can figure out how to sell mulberries at the local grocery?

Of course, not everything needs to be commercialized. Some of the best things in life are free.

Re: Dopamine Fracking

#350

Post by ryandrake »

kakacik wrote: post #342
aaroninsf wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reads like literal propaganda. Every assertion of personal responsibility (sic) in the face of billion to trillion dollar industry spending is bad faith, zero exceptions. British Petroleum invented the concept of personal climate footprint. That was bad faith and to put a point on it, evil. Tech industry claims that engagement farming and addition manufacture should be opposed by "parenting" are even less credib…

Yes and no. Look around you and count how many properly failing parents there are. Parents who literally offload their parenting to a tablet, TV, phone, nanny which is often on phone herself, whatever. Then complain kids are unruly when they don't simply listen to them like soldiers. Parents, who are often as addicted to the screens (and more) as their kids. Recent studies showed above half of toddlers below 2 spend…

> Parents, who are often as addicted to the screens (and more) as their kids.

This is a huge part of it. Kids are great at spotting hypocrisy, and if you tell them to put down the screens, yet you yourself are scrolling Instagram all day, the kid is going to know you are full of shit! It's like smoking a cigarette while telling your kid that smoking is bad for you.

Post reply on HN