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Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Jobs have always been a bad deal, especially for most people. Very unfair. Less unfair is entrepreneurship. LLMs (VLMs) etc. should make that more feasible for a broader range of people.

> Jobs have always been a bad deal, especially for most people. Very unfair. Less unfair is entrepreneurship. LLMs (VLMs) etc. should make that more feasible for a broader range of people.

They can't be a bad deal and also the best possible option for the majority of people (as most people choose employment). Entrepreneurship increases risk, which is the tradeoff for more upside.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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post #362

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This here. Overall society feels more turbulent, but this is otherwise all the same song and dance all over again. The 90s and 00s had this wave of "object oriented programming changes everything". Hey we're doing this thing that's been done successfully 100s of times before, but now it's OO. Writing some code in involving an airplane? Just purchase this omni-airplane object that does everything for airplanes (an act…

Having lived through all of that as a professional dev, AI is completely different. There was no career anxiety of any significance for OOP or Code Gen (certainly no code gen) or TDD or Agile - there was annoyance at it by some, sure, but not the existential angst the industry is currently experiencing.

> AI is completely different.

Okay?

> existential angst

I don't know, maybe there's just too many juniors on social media posing as senors spreading existential angst? I mean if GC was introduced in a time where there was an engagement AI spreading dread far and wide then I suspect we could have had the same thing.

I certainly wish people would be less sad, but I'm not sure that means that things are meaningfully different on a technical level.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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"Woah, I cajoled a chatbot into building something I don't understand at all, I'm so good at my job!" That ship sailed when people started using compilers and stopped learning assembly language.

So, this is a complete nonsense take. Why do people keep making this kind of comparison? Is there really such a lack of critical thinking being taught these days?

What you were taught no longer matters, compared to what some of the rest of have learned over the past couple of years. Sorry. Shoot the messenger if it makes you feel better, but it won't change anything.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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I cannot understand the overwhelmingly negative sentiment in this thread. I've used LLMs every day at work for several years now, I am a firm believer they're useful. Never once have I felt that an LLM could do my job without me steering it. I know the project goals, how to structure the code, the right and wrong paths to explore, how to evaluate and test its changes, how to make good engineering decisions, and much more.

LLMs do not think. Someone has to be in the driver's seat. You're fooling yourself if you think that 99% of the population can use an LLM to write software. Or that they even have the desire to. I can cook, but I often go out to eat. I could repair a leaky sink, but a plumber will always do a better job. The specifics of our jobs are constantly changing, but our role in society will remain the same.

One-off scripts can be written with non-technical prompts, but this work was already cheap. To do anything meaningful you need to be able to reason about a hard problem as a whole and at the implementation level simultaneously. Specifying context, tasks, structure and style, data representation and control flow, these things are software engineering. You are simply writing software in natural language. It has never been about the syntax.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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> the models are improving at a rapid rate. If asked ~3 years ago where the state of the models are today, it would sound like sci-fi Absolutely true, many things will continue to improve in significant ways. However, if we look at the modern history of rapid disruptions driven by technology (a side interest of mine), persistent patterns emerge. Similar to avalanches or flash floods, such periods of very rapid disrup…

This is of course true in general. But the question is not "how with this evolve" but how will we deal with the rapid changes in the industry? I suspect a long term k-shape salary curve, even worse than today, with the lower 80-90pctile salaries bottoming out such that many have to exit the industry to make ends meet. You can laugh and blame them for not saving as much as they should, but that's still a fairly horrif…

I would ask for references for the suicide claims, so others can assess the impact themselves. That's a very serious claim to provide without any proof, especially to a group of people who very well be going through the same thing. I am not saying it did not happen, only it's the right thing to do.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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post #910

I have 25 years of experience with a single programming language that’s still in broad modern use. My employer recently moved me to a project that doesn’t use that language. The new language is completely foreign and hard for me to read. BUT we are supposed to maximize our AI usage. I made a few agents and skills to automate workflows, and now I can just say “$do-ticket ABC-1234”, and it gets done using TDD and hands…

Product and program manager salaries aren't trending toward minimum wage. That's what you're becoming. Get good at it.
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