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Post by glitchc »

my_throwaway23 wrote: post #21

Side note: I love literature, but I can not for the life of me understand how anyone can consider non-fiction enjoyable to read. Informative, perhaps interesting, yes, but enjoyable? Heck no. Take me as far away from reality as possible. Though, of course, to each their own.

You have to read better non-fiction then. Take history for example. Certain real events are more fascinating than any fictional story, and the right author can take you on an unforgettable journey, unfolding the world as it developed.

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Post by some_furry »

nyc_data_geek1 wrote: post #51
some_furry wrote: post #43

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> This is the thing I don't understand about (a superficial interpretation of) anarchists I think most superficial interpretations of anarchists are based on edgy LARPers rather than real political ideology. Fun fact: Anarchy means "without rulers", not "without laws" or "without social order". There's a wide diversity of political thought under this umbrella, but the key underlying common denominator is (on some lev…

Maybe don't be so dismissive of that which you lack a thorough understanding. Recommend reading "Against the State" by James Stout, wherein he describes history of various Anarchist societies, including Barcelona during Spanish fascism, Myanmar where they are very successfully fighting the junta which wrested control from their civilian government, and Rojava where he personally visited and gives a firsthand account.

Sure, but these are still Societies.

Not the absence of a society, where utter lawlessness reigns. Most people's colloquial idea of anarchy is a Mad Max film.

I'm not being dismissive at all of anything except the public's misconceptions.

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Post by clarkmoody »

Yokohiii wrote: post #18

> THE CYPHERNOMICON I've peeked into that one. I've expected those people to be radical to some degree, but I didn't expect they write it down so clearly. This writing wants to see the collapse of governments and democracy. I find it painful to read such radical statements. So I didn't get very deep. But I am riddled how those people think a collapse of that scale will work out in their favor. They are deeply reliant…

The collapse of the government does not imply the collapse of civil society.

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Post by Caracas288 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #64
Caracas288 wrote: post #44

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The idea is it wouldn’t work on trust, each element would be bounded by forces other than a single structure; getting to the state in which self-regulation is possible is the difficult, or maybe impossible, part. When in the regulated state, power grabs wouldn’t work.

The way they would self-regulate (self-organize) is into tribes/gangs. And that works (for some value of "works") until one tribe/gang becomes too powerful.

Maybe so

It’s interesting to think about the ‘best’ way to organise a society; its enticing to think that society could be contained in a single encompassing structure, but such a structure is impossible.

Human-implemented anarchism might be futile, because it is already implemented, and there is no sovereign with agency above our institutions. It becomes apparent, in the second quarter of the 21st century, that any co-operative agreements and intergovernmental treaties are just as vulnerable as gang treaties.

If the world only stratified, with no balkanisation, it would form a homogeneous structure, but something prevents this. What?

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