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How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually, journals require raw, unmodified data to be deposited as supplementary information.

Yes, as supplementary information (Also journals are usually more rigorous than marketing material)

> Yes, as supplementary information

Still part of the article.

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It definitely isn't a good look but I'm not entirely sure where this lands on "the line drawing on my IKEA instruction manual doesn't look like the furniture" to "VW diesel emissions report" spectrum. I'd appreciate if any bioscientists in the audience could clear that up a bit.

Images like this show how specifically the antibody binds to the antigen. Generally, the ideal is to have very specific binding. As such, this type of image (Western blot) would only have single bands in any vertical lane. Any other bands show that the antibody is binding to other molecules. The evidence of painting out the background is likely someone cleaning up other bands, where the antibody has bound to somethin…

(forgot to say I'm a former post-doc in Cell Biology)

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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Exactly what is the "data" that's being shown here? Is it essentially some kind of marketing material showing "this sort of thing is what you should expect to see" or is it actually data or for compliance? If it's essentially marketing material or an instructional example that isn't meant to be representative it being magically clearer than real life doesn't seem like a great sin (unless it's being claimed it is repr…

When you’re deciding which antibodies to buy you’ll look at these figures to get a sense of their quality. Antibodies aren’t perfect and might bind proteins unrelated to the one you want to study. Depending on your application, some off-target binding might be acceptable, but usually it’s not. Also, they might just be completely nonfunctional and bind nothing (perhaps due to missteps during manufacturing).

So what this fraud does is convince you to give these antibodies a chance when you otherwise wouldn’t have. You should validate them yourself and show they only bind your target before doing an experiment, but now you’re just wasting time and money evaluating something that’s guaranteed to fail.

Antibodies are notoriously unreliable, so you might have to give two or three vendors a try before you get one that works. Now I’m starting to wonder how much of that reputation is due to fraud and not just nature.

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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This is systematic fraud, and anyone trying those antibodies with falsified data will waste money and time. A lot of papers have been retracted for similar issues. Thermo Fisher is a major worldwide supplier of antibodies, so this has quite a big practical impact.

1. Obviously unethical and fraudulent behavior.

2. It should be determined whether the fraud was just the display image (imagine a sales manager making a bad call when images are not available) or involved the underlying research (more systemic and worrying).

3. It would be interesting to examine occurrence of faked images along with apparent unreliability/irreproducibility of research that has used those products.

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the thing. Yes, the marketing material is bad. But, no one in lab trusts an antibody just because of where you bought it. A new antibody always gets tested and validated before use. That is to say, this looks bad for Thermo Fisher. But, that’s as far as the damage should go.

Why would you even generate fake pictures of this type? Don't you already have real ones? I mean, it's actually more work, unless you don't have the real ones.

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Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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The guy who uncovered this, Sholto David, is basically just awesome? Watch him cycle from Wales -> China in 90 days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdgHZPfivVA This isn't his first fraud rodeo either. For his discovery of serious fraud by the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in 2024, he received $2.6 million. Be more like Sholto, exercise your free will!

I didn't realize whistleblowers could recover part of fraud settlements: > The civil settlement includes the resolution of claims brought under the qui tam or whistleblower provisions of the False Claims Act by Sholto David. Under those provisions, a private party can file an action on behalf of the United States and receive a portion of any recovery. David will receive $2,625,000 under today’s settlement. https://ww…

Short sellers have become the biggest SEC whistleblowers if they discover suspected fraud - it’s a more lucrative and less risky than shorting:

https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/2d7d14lmtfwc1e...

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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post #37
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the thing. Yes, the marketing material is bad. But, no one in lab trusts an antibody just because of where you bought it. A new antibody always gets tested and validated before use. That is to say, this looks bad for Thermo Fisher. But, that’s as far as the damage should go.

Why would you even generate fake pictures of this type? Don't you already have real ones? I mean, it's actually more work, unless you don't have the real ones.

I’m not going to defend Fisher here. It was a stupid thing for someone to do.

But unless you’re in the field, you won’t realize exactly how big ThermoFisher actually is. They are the major supplier of everything for molecular biology work. From freezers (the Thermo part) to plates and pipettes (Fisher) to enzymes and antibodies. In many ways they are like Amazon. They sell everything. Some of it from outside companies, but a good deal of sales are from in-house brands. They could use their position as a reseller to know which products sell the best and with the highest margins.

In a company of this size, it’s easy to have one group feel pressure and cheat on running the gels to confirm results. Particularly when the real results are ambiguous or dodgy. It’s not a good look, but I doubt it will put a dent in people from buying things (non-antibodies) from them.

Re: How much of Thermo Fisher's antibody data has been manipulated?

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize whistleblowers could recover part of fraud settlements: > The civil settlement includes the resolution of claims brought under the qui tam or whistleblower provisions of the False Claims Act by Sholto David. Under those provisions, a private party can file an action on behalf of the United States and receive a portion of any recovery. David will receive $2,625,000 under today’s settlement. https://ww…

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/marine-sarah-fei... $40m for this person in the US

worth it for a lifetime of looking over your shoulder? maybe...
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