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The EU Open Source Strategy

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by Tangurena2 »

bjackman wrote: post #25
pjmlp wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although I usually come up negative on my The Year of Linux Desktop comments, that would already be a starting point. Unless EU citzens are able to easily walk into FNAC, Vobis, Cool Blue, MediaMarket, Carrefour, Publico,.... and come out with a laptop or desktop with e.g. SuSE Linux already set up, this will always be a niche thing from nerds assembling their own PCs, or finding their ways into Tuxedo and co. And th…

I do not think I want my public sector running GNU/Linux desktops. There is no distro that meets the security requirements. I don't know if Windows is better, I have heard rumours that it's pretty bad. I know MacOS is MUCH better from a security PoV but I definitely don't want my public sector shelling out to Apple and I don't think it meets the boring IT management requirements anyway (I think big tech has a lot of…

> There is no distro that meets the security requirements.

The CLOUD Act, in conjunction with Trump's behavior and the Snowden disclosures, shows that the US cannot possibly a trusted partner. That every operating system is controlled by Washington. Who can turn things off if they want.

I work for a stage agency. Our current state constitution was adopted in 1891. Does a digital file format exist that will work for 135+ years? We've adopted PDF/A because supposedly that's open-sourcey enough to last, but I'm not sure that it is safe enough from legal disputes to stand the test of time. Our state legislature has banned certain state stuff from being hosted in the cloud.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by _the_inflator »

esperent wrote: post #19

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

With the European Chips Act I already a total disaster, please help me with your intelligence, thoughtful discussion to explain the feasibility of miracles to me in rational terms, since the EU is obviously oblivious to the fact, that they are delusional and hubris might be a better term to explain, what "the EU" wants to achieve - and maintain.

BTW, the EU also plans for a energy transformation, being a military powerhouse, surveillance state - what else could be wish into reality?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by RyJones »

ragebol wrote: post #3

All great, but I would love EU and (national, local, ...) governments in the EU simply use the open source stuff already available. Often there is an 'you must open source, unless you explain why not' and then there is some faff about why they really need to be buying more stuff from Microsoft (which is more and more cloud stuff and thus under the CLOUD act etc.) Time to get rid of the 'unless' bit.

Help us spread the word? We have good engagement but we need more from governments.

https://openwallet.foundation/

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by lyu07282 »

js8 wrote: post #92
lyu07282 wrote: post #33

To people confused or wondering why it's too little, too late, too incompetent, etc.: The EU makes a lot more sense when you understand it's a neoliberal institution. Just giving people money to work on open source directly would violate state aid/market disruption rules, they aren't allowed to do that because that could negatively impact the profit of some shareholder somewhere. Member states that want to do that ev…

> The EU makes a lot more sense when you understand it's a neoliberal institution I think that's a perfect summary. As an aside, regarding what I would like EU to do in opensource - when American government writes some code, it must be put in the public domain (no copyright). EU doesn't have a similar rule.

That's true, it's an interesting case where the EU is even more ideologically committed than the US, like licenses on photographs taken by ESA vs. NASA for example, but it's everything.

With universities it's similar, publicly funded research gets patented (including software!) and exploited by private enterprise, but even worse private industry dictates the areas of research so it's impossible for there to ever be a coherent research strategy in the EU.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by PurpleRamen »

esperent wrote: post #19

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

HN is full of people which EU is fighting against, so of course is there little chance to find sane discussions here. You could try some european subreddits, or local tech-sites from Europe, there is usually a better chance to find people who benefit from EU-regulations and have a more rational view on them.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by PurpleRamen »

omnimus wrote: post #34
esperent wrote: post #19

I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

It's not only HN. You can see big tech media hate against any effort europe does. Everybody is mocking europe for building 10 years old chip fabs or their measly small unusable clouds or bad startup scene. It's interesting because not that long ago nobody cared about what europe did in tech. Or more like everybody was fine with the fact that europe imported computers and exported something else. It was like that fore…

There is a type of videos, where people mock US-citizens for their ignorance about the rest of the world and how things are working there. Those mocking EU for their efforts, usually have that same smell.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by cromka »

preisschild wrote: post #42
cromka wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it?

Its built on Mastodon, but truth social itself is not funded by the EU

I assumed that's what they were actually talking about, but boy, what a way to manipulate... I seriously cannot understand why people chose to be like that.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by vrganj »

beernet wrote: post #16
greatgib wrote: post #10

Always the same broken pattern of the EU: throwing shitload of money to the big actors of a field without really a coherent strategy or a real control of how the funds are used. Like that, a few companies are specialized in sucking public funds and delivering nothing. Or just the minimum to say that they did something. Again here, no money will be directed to the thousands of core and essential OSS projects that are…

> Like that, a few companies are specialized in sucking public funds and delivering nothing. Or just the minimum to say that they did something. Agreed. Fraunhofer institute in Germany is a prime example.

You mean the guys that invented MP3s and were major contributors to h264?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by beernet »

vrganj wrote: post #128
beernet wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like that, a few companies are specialized in sucking public funds and delivering nothing. Or just the minimum to say that they did something. Agreed. Fraunhofer institute in Germany is a prime example.

You mean the guys that invented MP3s and were major contributors to h264?

Yes, I mean exactly these guys, who did effectively nothing since these "glory" days (which are not really so glory if you Look at the entire story).

This insitution could not exist a minute without tax payer money and provides very, very little in return. Mediocre (at best) employees with the work ethic of public officials, and we know what this means when talking Germany...

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Post by greatgib »

beernet wrote: post #16
greatgib wrote: post #10

Always the same broken pattern of the EU: throwing shitload of money to the big actors of a field without really a coherent strategy or a real control of how the funds are used. Like that, a few companies are specialized in sucking public funds and delivering nothing. Or just the minimum to say that they did something. Again here, no money will be directed to the thousands of core and essential OSS projects that are…

> Like that, a few companies are specialized in sucking public funds and delivering nothing. Or just the minimum to say that they did something. Agreed. Fraunhofer institute in Germany is a prime example.

In all cases, it is not 100% of the money that is wasted uselessly. There is still a few percents that are directly to useful use. Like there some companies or big companies that contribute in some cases in significant open source projects that are used by everyone. But that is more the exception than the norm.
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