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The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by flumpcakes »

xena wrote: post #4

This was hard to read; the writer really did not come from the school of succinctness. If the writer is reading this, please try making an edit where you remove as much of the fluff and rephrase sentences like: > When I read this detail, tucked away near the end of a Guardian article, I winced to see another of my predictions come true; that the ‘Butlerian Jihad’ would soon enter public life not as mere literary meta…

I find that the first paragraph tells a better narrative. I prefer it muchly. The second paragraph doesn't make sense and is saying more than the first. It feels both dumbed down and more confusing.

Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by flumpcakes »

trollbridge wrote: post #17
pietervdvn wrote: post #8

Belgian action group "Code Rood" (Code Red) is planning to occupy a data centre next week... https://code-rouge.be/

Good luck. It's hard enough to get into a data centre when you're authorised to be there.

Then again you're not trying to enter it (potentially) illegally to (maybe) distrust day-to-say service and be a general annoyance (protest)? It's hard to leave the super market quickly when there's a long queue, but if you're shoplifting then you're out in a flash.

Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by xena »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #12
xena wrote: post #4

This was hard to read; the writer really did not come from the school of succinctness. If the writer is reading this, please try making an edit where you remove as much of the fluff and rephrase sentences like: > When I read this detail, tucked away near the end of a Guardian article, I winced to see another of my predictions come true; that the ‘Butlerian Jihad’ would soon enter public life not as mere literary meta…

Why would you argue yours is better?

A few things (written on my phone, forgive the SEO list):

* One idea per sentence, more than one tends to make massive run-on sentences that go too far.

* Removes irrelevant details. Why does it matter that a Guardian article was the thing that gave the writer the missing link?

Essentially the trick is to take your ideas down to the bare minimum required to express them portably and then write that. It makes things much easier to write (you don't have ans many words to put in the document) and the end result is much easier to read (there's less irrelevant details to scan through).

Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by dafelst »

xena wrote: post #4

This was hard to read; the writer really did not come from the school of succinctness. If the writer is reading this, please try making an edit where you remove as much of the fluff and rephrase sentences like: > When I read this detail, tucked away near the end of a Guardian article, I winced to see another of my predictions come true; that the ‘Butlerian Jihad’ would soon enter public life not as mere literary meta…

I strongly prefer the original to your edit.

Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by bryanlarsen »

lurkercodemnky wrote: post #18
sampo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Butlerian jihad" comes from a science fiction novel from 1965 (Dune, by Frank Herbert). They didn't know about current political correctness 60 years ago.

I know that. Just pointing out your double standards compared to the holocaust.

The comparable word is "crusade". If it's OK to use the word crusade, it's OK to use the word jihad.

(My opinion is that neither should be used, but a majority of Americans disagree with me).

To be pedantic, crusade means "holy war" and jihad means "to struggle", so jihad should be more acceptable than crusade, but in English, jihad essentially only has the holy war meaning.

Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by xena »

saddat wrote: post #23
pietervdvn wrote: post #8

Belgian action group "Code Rood" (Code Red) is planning to occupy a data centre next week... https://code-rouge.be/

Rebellion by the incompetent will not lead anywhere

But the incompetent far outnumbers the competent and they've been seeing AI and datacentres as symbols of the forces that are harming their ability to feed their families. An easy way out of this is universal basic income and universal mortgage/rent freezes now.

Re: The Butlerian Jihad Has Begun

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Post by sampo »

lurkercodemnky wrote: post #18
sampo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Butlerian jihad" comes from a science fiction novel from 1965 (Dune, by Frank Herbert). They didn't know about current political correctness 60 years ago.

I know that. Just pointing out your double standards compared to the holocaust.

"Nuclear holocaust" is a somewhat common expression both in and outside of fiction.
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