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Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by twiclo »

monooso wrote: post #67
twiclo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents will get their kids phones worrying that they're missing out. The more parents do that the more the kids without phones are actually being left out. If the government puts restriction on these things than parents are much less likely to worry. I've heard of parents of children for a certain grade getting together and all signing a pact that the kids won't have phones until a certain point, say 16. It only goe…

> Parents will get their kids phones worrying that they're missing out. Again, not a parent, but isn't making difficult decisions in the best interests of your child the entire gig?

I agree with you. I plan to not be pressured by what other parents are doing. But that pressure is real and many parents end up thinking it's what's best. It's better that they have friends and a phone than neither of the two.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by bluGill »

szszrk wrote: post #43
bluGill wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really because nearly every adult has a phone with unlimited calling, and will allow you to make a call from their phone. I don't want my kids to be someplace where there are not some responsible adults around (drunk adults are not responsible) Note that I agree with your point overall. My kids have phones for times when they are away and might need to contact me. I'm just saying it isn't as bad as it sounds.

> Not really because nearly every adult has a phone with unlimited calling, and will allow you to make a call from their phone. that's not even true for adults. Why would you assume it's true for kids?

It is close enough to true where I live anyway. I don't know your situation.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by trumpdong »

monooso wrote: post #67
twiclo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents will get their kids phones worrying that they're missing out. The more parents do that the more the kids without phones are actually being left out. If the government puts restriction on these things than parents are much less likely to worry. I've heard of parents of children for a certain grade getting together and all signing a pact that the kids won't have phones until a certain point, say 16. It only goe…

> Parents will get their kids phones worrying that they're missing out. Again, not a parent, but isn't making difficult decisions in the best interests of your child the entire gig?

Imagine there's a lake with 100 fish farms. Each farm operator can pay $50000 to install a pollution scrubber that benefits every farm operator by $1000. Obviously, none of them do it, since it'd cost them $49000.

Coordination problems are why we have a government. It mandates the pollution scrubber, each of them moans a lot, 3 of them cheat, but everyone is $47000 richer in the end (except the cheaters who are $97000 richer until they get caught).

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by trumpdong »

jmyeet wrote: post #39

I believe we could solve a lot of these problems by making it illegal to advertise to minors. I'm reminded of the settlement with Facebook where it was illegally allowing racial targeting in ads for housing, which is illegal [1]. If platforms were suddenly liable for allowing or failing to stop the targeting of minors, they'd suddenly have a lot of incentive to figure this out. The beauty of this is that they already…

How would you know if someone was a minor? Facebook knows even if you don't tell them, but I don't.

Would it be combined with the California-style OS age header?

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by jraby3 »

jmyeet wrote: post #39

I believe we could solve a lot of these problems by making it illegal to advertise to minors. I'm reminded of the settlement with Facebook where it was illegally allowing racial targeting in ads for housing, which is illegal [1]. If platforms were suddenly liable for allowing or failing to stop the targeting of minors, they'd suddenly have a lot of incentive to figure this out. The beauty of this is that they already…

This is by far the best solution and should be the top comment.

Why is the onus on the parents to chase after their kids - screen time is awful and kids get around it.

The social media and porn sites should be penalized and the onus should be on them. Just like when we were kids, the channel couldn't show certain content like nudity and cursing or they'd be fined.

How is it suddenly the obligation of the parent to supervise a million options with horrible interfaces.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by trumpdong »

stavros wrote: post #7
rho138 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty certain they understand that and are offering a workable solution instead of just repiping “age tech bad.”

You can't offer a workable solution to an excuse. Nobody pushing this wants to protect the children, therefore offering a solution that will protect the children is irrelevant.

Both groups exist. Some want to protect the children, others hop on the bandwagon to ensure that protecting the children comes alongside full mass surveillance, and we do ourselves no good by pretending the first group is the second group. Believe it or not, there are children and we are currently failing to protect them from things we need to protect them from.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by [deleted] »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #49

"Think of the children!" - Say the 40-year-old millennials who were exposed to the Wild West of internet content as children and are still fine. "We can't censor the internet on their devices!" - There's a $2.5B market in parental censorship software. You can censor their devices. "Our child will become a pariah without the internet!" - In what way, exactly? They still go to school, still play sports, still go to che…

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Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by trumpdong »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #20

It's not about the children, never was. The goal is to use one ID system for everything. I sound like Alex Jones, but we already have a system for bank login, and other trusted identity login. They want to use this for everything.

It's both. Most people want to protect children, some other people (concentrated among the rich and powerful) see this and use it as an excuse to push surveillance.

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by subscribed »

onion2k wrote: post #42
bluGill wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really because nearly every adult has a phone with unlimited calling, and will allow you to make a call from their phone. I don't want my kids to be someplace where there are not some responsible adults around (drunk adults are not responsible) Note that I agree with your point overall. My kids have phones for times when they are away and might need to contact me. I'm just saying it isn't as bad as it sounds.

Not really because nearly every adult has a phone with unlimited calling, and will allow you to make a call from their phone. This isn't very compatible with also teaching children that they can't trust the majority of adults, and that every stranger is a potential danger.

That trope is pretty dangerous in itself (there WILL be time they have to rely on the unrelated adult), and I'm pretty adamant on teaching my kids that the vast majority of adults can be trusted, instead trying to instill Tricky People in them: https://fitzroyelc.com.au/the-tricky-people-lesson-you-need-...

Re: Age verification tech could put children at greater risk, says think tank

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Post by dormento »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #27

"with nine out of 10 parents saying they are in favour of a ban in response to a government consultation" I wonder why those 90% of parents don't cut their children off from social media right now. They have the power to do it.

Has been discussed here again and again.

Apparently parenting "its too hard", you "dont know how hard it is", and the alternative of "not having kids" is somehow impractical.

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