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Post by YinglingHeavy »

raumgeist wrote: post #61

Reminds me of Adornos "Dialektik der Aufklärung" and its take on what he calls the "Kulturindustrie". Almost 100 years ago he foresaw how the cultural offerings of society get commodified and chopped into bite sized chunks for each individual to receive theirs. He did not forsee us taking it this far, nor the addictive nature of the consumption though. An additional danger is how this pulls all of us down. Staying wi…

The taste of the masses will always be vulgar, by very definition of the word. Vulgar as in commonplace.

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Post by eszed »

westmeal wrote: post #112
plastic-enjoyer wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a whole strand of German and French cultural pessimism that foresaw the convergence of mass media to the current point to some degree. > Staying with the articles example, by adding artificial strawberries flavour to everything those that could have enjoyed the natural experience never get the opportunity to do so, preventing them from acquiring the taste. I would go so far to say, that even if people tasted…

I don't know the real sauce is incredible compared to the fake stuff. It really is a massive hassle though :/

Try this:

https://www.seriouseats.com/foolproof-2-minute-hollandaise-r...

I used to make it on the stovetop - even learned how to rescue it when it broke - but I don't anymore. You can decide whether using a hand blender counts as "real" or not, but the ingredients are the same, and I can't tell the difference, only the technique is arguably "cheating".

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Post by throw10920 »

pfortuny wrote: post #251
oa335 wrote: post #247

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why doesnt hackernews count as social media?

I guess it is mostly (by default): a) real pseudonymity b) no photos/videos c) no infinite scroll d) no notifications e) very specific (mildly speaking) topic range f) very very good ranking and filtering algo ....

(g) guidelines designed for curiosity and intellectual discussion that are enforced by the moderators. No "real" social media platform has anything similar. (so maybe it's more like a discussion board? LessWrong/old phpbb forums)

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Post by vctrnk »

ahartmetz wrote: post #239
virtualritz wrote: post #233

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Same with truffle mayo or truffle-based products. [1] People who grew up on the artificial flavor prefer it over the real one. I have quite a few in my circle of friends. You go to an Italian restaurant and you get plain pasta, panned in butter or olive oil and then someone comes with a real truffle and grates it in front you of over your dish until you tell them to stop. You pay for that amount. Unless you go to a r…

If the real thing doesn't taste like gasoline, I'd probably prefer the real thing. I find fake truffle disgustingly gasoline- or solvent-like.

Never thought of the fake variant as gasoline-like but it sure has that strange, very heavy 'chemical' aftertaste that lingers in your palate. Also never tried the real thing, I wonder if i'd like it or not.

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Post by regexorcist »

drcongo wrote: post #237
anon-3988 wrote: post #127

The prime example for me of this phenomena is selfies. What is the point of taking pictures, really? To capture the moment? Or to post to social media? If I am going to be honest, most pictures today are taken so that they are able to be broadcasted it to everyone. I believe I have superior taste in this where I don't take selfies but instead take pictures of people and environment just doing stuff. The moment someon…

I posted something very similar on here last year after a visit to Ibiza - as we sat eating lunch in the castle in Ibiza old town, a group of young women spent the entire time we were there, maybe an hour and a half, in turn posing for photos next to a plant. Each time one went in for the pose, they'd pass their phone to a friend to take the pictures. It went on and on. The two things that really struck me about this…

These days, go anywhere in the world with a pseudo famous landmark and watch the same thing. I've been travelling long enough to remember people being present and taking in the experience. Now it's literal queues for the perfect spot to take 100 near identical photos of themselves, and choose a few later for social media.

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Post by Gigachad »

api wrote: post #178

Turn it off, then. I’ve almost completely turned off social media. Realized I’m missing nothing. All this stuff can pretty easily be ignored.

I’ve already done that but it’s clear something more needs to happen to fix this on a societal level. Tech companies have hacked the human brain and optimised it to an absolutely insane level. They have truely won.

On a train recently I watched a literal toddler scrolling Instagram reels on an iPhone as big as their head.

We are going to need laws and regulations to straight up ban this new wave of incredibly addictive short form media and addition mechanics.

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Post by PowerElectronix »

oa335 wrote: post #247
regexorcist wrote: post #238

As someone under 40 who never had any social media, I cannot overstate the negative impact it's had on my peers and their behaviours. Worst thing to ever happen to society imo, I feel for the younger ones who grew up with it.

why doesnt hackernews count as social media?

It does, but as you really can't get money out of it in a reliable way by exploiting the user addictive behaviors, it doesn't have that effect on society.

It's just a cool place to visit now an then an check cool stuff out.

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Post by throw4847285 »

vladms wrote: post #60
sph wrote: post #37

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You are seeing the effect for the cause. Humans (life in general) are effort minimizer machines, it doesn’t mean that maximum optimization is the ideal environment for a human to thrive. Any caveman would have loved to have to choose between favourite junk food franchises instead of risking his life chasing woolly mammoths not to starve.

From what I see, there are many people that don't want to be "bored" more than the people that don't want to be "tired". Of course there are many that want to be neither (so we get social media that gives you "not bored" and "not tired"), but I don't think we can generalize for 100% for neither category.

We’re tired and bored. We're tired and bored. We're tired and bored. We're tired and bored.[0]

[0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBngZh8H2FU

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Post by topaz0 »

clydethefrog wrote: post #120
fssys wrote: post #117

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every time someone coins a new term for these phenomena i think of how Adorno already explained it all. "enshittification" SHUT UP

There was a major campaign the last decade from many pro-capital and libertarian thinkers to label Adorno and other philosophers as the root cause of many people grievances. Remember Peterson et all all warning about "Cultural marxism" and "postmodernism"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... I try not be against new terms like "enshittification" or "dopamine fracking" for this reason, the…

Since I can't upvote @thrance's reply, I'll second it here: certainly complaints about postmodernism date to the 90s or earlier and fear of Marxism is as old as Marx (less sure about when "cultural Marxism" specifically became a scare-term of art)

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Post by dormento »

canpan wrote: post #91
hattmall wrote: post #25

This has been happening in the real world for far longer. It's basically the experience of many modern cities, or even worse suburbs. Starbucks / Chipotle / Orange Theory / Target / Generic Brewery / Lime Scooter / Waymo / Subscribe N Save So much of modern life has been comodified to optimize for things that aren't necessarily what's inline with the users interests and certainly don't do anything for cultural robust…

All cities have the exact same shopping street somewhere. Tokyo (Ginza), NYC (5th), Paris, London, Berlin, Sao Paulo..: Starbucks, Gucci, Addidas, Louis Vuitton, Levis, Ferragamo, Apple Store, a little further from there a McDonald's..

You know, I always felt it but struggled to describe. This is exactly how it feels. Commoditization is inevitable, but the loss of identity that comes with leaves the impression that every city is one of those old-west movie prop ghost towns.
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