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The EU Open Source Strategy

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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The DMA is a great initiative for more market competition.

Great, now I can install an app on iOS without having Apple's approval or cut, right? No, you cannot. You still report and pay fees to Apple. This is the general trend: EU regulates something it doesn't understand and the result is a mess that companies need to deal with.

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/06/26/app-store-eu-rule-chang...

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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A challenge they forgot to mention is EU‘s very own new Product Lianility Directive. Although the Directive exempts free and open-source software (OSS) from strict product liability, it does so only if the software is developed or provided outside the course of a commercial activity. As soon as a company integrates OSS into its own commercial product or uses it for economic purposes, the company becomes liable for an…

Company sells product for profit - they are liable for the product and all its subcomponents - there is nothing unfair about this - it doesn't matter if you found the components in a hole in the ground or on github - if you are selling a product based off it, you are liable.

For freelancers / oss companies - you can still sell services such as consulting or support - without selling your oss project - then its a service - not a product.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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All great, but I would love EU and (national, local, ...) governments in the EU simply use the open source stuff already available. Often there is an 'you must open source, unless you explain why not' and then there is some faff about why they really need to be buying more stuff from Microsoft (which is more and more cloud stuff and thus under the CLOUD act etc.) Time to get rid of the 'unless' bit.

Although I usually come up negative on my The Year of Linux Desktop comments, that would already be a starting point. Unless EU citzens are able to easily walk into FNAC, Vobis, Cool Blue, MediaMarket, Carrefour, Publico,.... and come out with a laptop or desktop with e.g. SuSE Linux already set up, this will always be a niche thing from nerds assembling their own PCs, or finding their ways into Tuxedo and co. And th…

You do realize there is basically zero demand for a Linux desktop by "normal"/"average" users, right?

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital.

Most EU initiatives have damaged everyday UX on the web and in tech. Yes, some malicious compliance has played a role by over-reacting to well-intended regulations. But overall the EU has brought this upon itself.

This specific Open Source Strategy memo is typical. It's in fact not a strategy but a list of key goals and requirements, put together in technocratic jargon. It will have zero effect on the actual open source ecosystem.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Always the same broken pattern of the EU: throwing shitload of money to the big actors of a field without really a coherent strategy or a real control of how the funds are used. Like that, a few companies are specialized in sucking public funds and delivering nothing. Or just the minimum to say that they did something. Again here, no money will be directed to the thousands of core and essential OSS projects that are…

One counter example: https://nextgraph.org/elfa-consortium-encrypted-local-first-... (eg.. https://www.ironcalc.com/)

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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A challenge they forgot to mention is EU‘s very own new Product Lianility Directive. Although the Directive exempts free and open-source software (OSS) from strict product liability, it does so only if the software is developed or provided outside the course of a commercial activity. As soon as a company integrates OSS into its own commercial product or uses it for economic purposes, the company becomes liable for an…

Does this mean that you think a company should not be held liable for defects caused in a product they ship, if the defect is caused by an open source component? Why not?

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Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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Empty words. Without changes to anti-circumvention laws, safe harbor commitments for security researchers and serious funding for foss projects nothing is going to change.

> serious funding for foss projects

this is a sure way for grifters to make a boatload of money by lobbying for various projects to be funded.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

So instead of adressing the article and provide the potential base for a intelligent debate, you decided to raise the bar by lamenting?

My impression in general is that there is rather a very EU friendly view here on HN in general, but HN is critical of everything.

So I also say, lot's of nice words, great that they at least start so late with that now, but more concrete steps would be more welcome.

"Making public administrations anchor users and contributors to open source, through procurement guidance, open-source friendly tendering, strengthening the Open Source Programme Office and its networks, reusable public digital assets and by embedding openness and sovereignty in digital investment decisions"

Because this for example sounds great. But is it very concrete? It sounds like it, but I don't see how it is.

Re: The EU Open Source Strategy

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I wish there was somewhere I could earnestly and intelligently have discussions about EU related tech and tech policy, but HN isn't it. As you can see already in this thread, there's 14 comments besides mine and they are 100% negative, and about 95% low effort/reactionary. Of course there's a lot to criticize and also to appreciate about the EU. But this is supposed to be a forum for intelligent, thoughtful discussio…

I guess the hate is because the EU also invented the following monstrosities: - CRA (cyber resiliency act): Manufacturers must handle and release security patches for vulnerabilities, and developers are required to report actively on exploited vulnerabilities and breaches. - PLD (Product Liability Directive): A failure to provide critical security updates or the presence of exploitable vulnerabilities can now legally…

All of this makes perfect sense
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