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How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by s08148692 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #91

I would always hear about how Linear was fast, but after actually working daily with it, I’ve lost enthusiasm. Search is quite slow, the UI is often clunky (looks good though), “Pulse” is a torrent of noise even at small scale, and I have trouble finding things I need and resort to adding everything to favorites. Early days’ Trello was the best project tracking experience by far.

I've used it for a couple of years now and honestly the hype around it is really unjustified. It does the job but it's nothing special. I could go back to Jira and see no change in productivity after a brief re-orientation period

Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by port11 »

s08148692 wrote: post #201
ricardobeat wrote: post #91

I would always hear about how Linear was fast, but after actually working daily with it, I’ve lost enthusiasm. Search is quite slow, the UI is often clunky (looks good though), “Pulse” is a torrent of noise even at small scale, and I have trouble finding things I need and resort to adding everything to favorites. Early days’ Trello was the best project tracking experience by far.

I've used it for a couple of years now and honestly the hype around it is really unjustified. It does the job but it's nothing special. I could go back to Jira and see no change in productivity after a brief re-orientation period

The comparison to Jira is unfair, Jira is known for abysmal performance.

Linear was really, incredibly fast. We adopted it in 2021 and it was amazing.

Now it’s bloated. That’s the standard path for most software (Zawinski’s Law), and I’m not very excited when they ship another feature. Most of the new stuff isn’t for small players, they’re more of an alternative for medium and large businesses.

Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by swiftcoder »

bastawhiz wrote: post #163
pastel8739 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you do this where you need to have a database shared between all these edge backends?

If your service shares state globally across all users (like a social network) not really. If individual customers are mostly centered around one geographic location and their data isn't shared with other customers, yes.

Even social networks tend to shard their DBs geographically. It's obviously not 100% effective (I can always add a friend on the other side of the world), but it significantly improves the average case (the majority of my friends will have gone to school/university/worked in the same geographical locations I did)

Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by theshrike79 »

s08148692 wrote: post #201
ricardobeat wrote: post #91

I would always hear about how Linear was fast, but after actually working daily with it, I’ve lost enthusiasm. Search is quite slow, the UI is often clunky (looks good though), “Pulse” is a torrent of noise even at small scale, and I have trouble finding things I need and resort to adding everything to favorites. Early days’ Trello was the best project tracking experience by far.

I've used it for a couple of years now and honestly the hype around it is really unjustified. It does the job but it's nothing special. I could go back to Jira and see no change in productivity after a brief re-orientation period

Self-hosted Jira _might_ be usable.

The Atlassian shared hosting one is a nightmare.

Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by zawaideh »

cheema33 wrote: post #151
zawaideh wrote: post #136

It’s really unfortunate that it is built in an apartheid state.

> It’s really unfortunate that it is built in an apartheid state. Linear is based in San Francisco. And has offices in New York and Finland. Which one of these is an apartheid state?

You are right. I was confusing it with another company LinearB. I should have double checked.

Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by [deleted] »

stevoski wrote: post #188
ricardobeat wrote: post #91

I would always hear about how Linear was fast, but after actually working daily with it, I’ve lost enthusiasm. Search is quite slow, the UI is often clunky (looks good though), “Pulse” is a torrent of noise even at small scale, and I have trouble finding things I need and resort to adding everything to favorites. Early days’ Trello was the best project tracking experience by far.

Linear was simple and fast. Unfortunately it is has become an example of creeping complexity. They keep adding new features at a steady pace, each slowly making the UI more confusing.

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Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by mb2100 »

ricardobeat wrote: post #91

I would always hear about how Linear was fast, but after actually working daily with it, I’ve lost enthusiasm. Search is quite slow, the UI is often clunky (looks good though), “Pulse” is a torrent of noise even at small scale, and I have trouble finding things I need and resort to adding everything to favorites. Early days’ Trello was the best project tracking experience by far.

right? or give me GitHub issues before the React rewrite – at least they loaded fast...

Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by mb2100 »

stevekemp wrote: post #184
ricardobeat wrote: post #91

I would always hear about how Linear was fast, but after actually working daily with it, I’ve lost enthusiasm. Search is quite slow, the UI is often clunky (looks good though), “Pulse” is a torrent of noise even at small scale, and I have trouble finding things I need and resort to adding everything to favorites. Early days’ Trello was the best project tracking experience by far.

I found middle-clicking to open a link in a new tab was often fragile. I'd get 10+ tabs all stuck in a "loading" state, and even force-reloading wouldn't make their contents match the address-bar.

the achilles heel of SPAs everywhere.

Re: How's Linear so fast? A technical breakdown

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Post by thingortwo »

aboodman wrote: post #192
thingortwo wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of the improvement opportunity is in the offline-first the cache or fast reads already have lots of solutions by using zero I lock my self in thinking in your library's design language and not in terms of what I already know that is raw SQL. If your happy/convenient/recommended path is ZQL then of course people will choose it and only later realize it only works for simpler queries like most ORMs I've been burnt…

We do support Replicache: https://i.imgur.com/R1pR58i.png . But I get it. Unfortunately something like this cannot be a sidecar, or at least I do not know how to make it one. It's central to your app in the way that React is. Fortunately the category is expanding and there are several sync engines that plug in exactly how Zero does - by replicating your database. You can switch between them easily. So as long as you…

Which is exactly why I said this problem is better solved by your own custom sync engine which when scoped to your own problem is not as hard to build as you think the most simpler and effective version is just a change_log and replaying or occasional full sync.

My own app uses something like this and I have yet to encounter any issue whereas I did initially look into using electricsql , zero sync , instantdb , triplit but the amount of lock-in or DSL was not my cup of tea and most of these are now doing "AI Agents" marketing instead of their core original problem which further erodes any trust.

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