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Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

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Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

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post #573

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Go on then, which part of my earlier post do you disagree with, specifically? 1. The difference between ‘abandoned’ and ‘maintained’ is that ‘maintained’ is bounded at the lower end to a greater-than-zero amount of maintenance work. Not a specific amount but necessarily >0. (Without that, “maintained” and “abandoned” become the same thing and that’s absurd). 2. “I am the maintainer” can be a voluntary statement, it’s…

Oh, you asked me if I disagreed with your point about gardens. That one is pretty obvious because community gardens that want to enforce a floor on amount of maintenance include that in rules that you have to agree to before they give you some of their space. I checked the whole terms of service for GitHub and they don’t have anything about how much work I have to do on a repo once I publish it for it to stay mine. I…

Here: https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t...

> "You are responsible for keeping your Account secure."

That is a non-zero amount of work.

> "You may not use GitHub in violation of export control or sanctions laws of the United States or any other applicable jurisdiction"

That requires you to be aware of those laws and put a non-zero amount of work into complying with them.

> "You will promptly notify GitHub by contacting us through the GitHub Support portal if you become aware of any unauthorized use of, or access to, our Service through your Account,"

That is a commitment to do some work.

> "For contractual purposes, you (1) consent to receive communications from us in an electronic form via the email address you have submitted"

That is a commitment to have a working email server/account.

If you don't do these things at times which are required, Github may close your account and your repo will go with it.

> "If you’re asking me which of those statements I disagree with, 1 and 3."

And on what grounds do you disagree? That "I will do something" is not saying that you will do something, or that "letting something rot" counts as "maintaining it"?

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

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No, it is not.

No, what is not what? What I'm getting from you and akerl_10 is "la la la I don't want words to have meanings so I'm just going to deny that they do".

Nobody has volunteered to do any work for you at all and no matter how many words you spend saying otherwise that will not change.

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

#583

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No, what is not what? What I'm getting from you and akerl_10 is "la la la I don't want words to have meanings so I'm just going to deny that they do".

Nobody has volunteered to do any work for you at all and no matter how many words you spend saying otherwise that will not change.

Someone who says “I volunteer to do maintenance work” is volunteering to do some work, no matter how many times you say “nuh uh”.

The work need not be “for me” and nowhere did I say it was or ought to be.

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

#584

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Nobody has volunteered to do any work for you at all and no matter how many words you spend saying otherwise that will not change.

Someone who says “I volunteer to do maintenance work” is volunteering to do some work, no matter how many times you say “nuh uh”. The work need not be “for me” and nowhere did I say it was or ought to be.

This is not an interesting rebuttal, sorry.

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

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If you induce someone to expend resources you can have liability even if those resources are not a payment to you. You can’t license your way out liability if you advertised, formally or informally, certain features and functionality that cause people to act on that advertisement. It’s called reliance interest. It’s an actual legal principle with case law supporting it.

full-disclosure: i skimmed the wiki on reliance damages , and concluded you're wrong. it goes something like this: reliance damages require you produce a contract, or some other evidence, that demonstrates you were promised some thing you did not receive, or some outcome you didn't experience. essentially, your claim is: a README file has more standing, in a court of law, than the LICENSE file sitting next to it at t…

A license is not a contract. It's a grant of permissions from an owner to a recipient that details what they can and cannot do. A license can be part of a transaction, but it does not constitute a contract. Especially in the case of free software where there is no exchange of considerations.

Regardless, contracts are not required for reliance interest to apply.

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

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post #573

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Oh, you asked me if I disagreed with your point about gardens. That one is pretty obvious because community gardens that want to enforce a floor on amount of maintenance include that in rules that you have to agree to before they give you some of their space. I checked the whole terms of service for GitHub and they don’t have anything about how much work I have to do on a repo once I publish it for it to stay mine. I…

Here: https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t... > "You are responsible for keeping your Account secure." That is a non-zero amount of work. > "You may not use GitHub in violation of export control or sanctions laws of the United States or any other applicable jurisdiction" That requires you to be aware of those laws and put a non-zero amount of work into complying with them. > "You will promptly…

I think we’ll have to let this comment tree rot.

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

#587

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full-disclosure: i skimmed the wiki on reliance damages , and concluded you're wrong. it goes something like this: reliance damages require you produce a contract, or some other evidence, that demonstrates you were promised some thing you did not receive, or some outcome you didn't experience. essentially, your claim is: a README file has more standing, in a court of law, than the LICENSE file sitting next to it at t…

A license is not a contract. It's a grant of permissions from an owner to a recipient that details what they can and cannot do. A license can be part of a transaction, but it does not constitute a contract. Especially in the case of free software where there is no exchange of considerations. Regardless, contracts are not required for reliance interest to apply.

This just isn't true.

Reliance requires an exchange of value. If you get something for zero value without a contract it's a gift under US commercial law.

You need to provide citations if you keep insisting otherwise because every open source licence relies on this

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

#588

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Why would I need to? Nobody volunteered . In the analogy, you found something on a shelf somewhere and decided to depend on it. The person who put it on the shelf never agreed to support you in that endeavor.

“This is abandonware” And “This is maintained and I am the maintainer” Are different states. 'Maintenance' is not work-free or effortless, so the second sentence is explicitly volunteering to do some non-zero amount of work, right? I don't see how it can be read any other way, you either have to argue that maintenance isn't work, or that "I am the maintainer" is not volunteering oneself into the role of doing that wo…

You understand this is the opposite of your example before right?

It's like a business asking for volunteers, you saying you will, then the business demanding that you turn up when it suits them and you not being allowed to say "no"

It's an outrageous position to take.

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

#589
post #573

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, you asked me if I disagreed with your point about gardens. That one is pretty obvious because community gardens that want to enforce a floor on amount of maintenance include that in rules that you have to agree to before they give you some of their space. I checked the whole terms of service for GitHub and they don’t have anything about how much work I have to do on a repo once I publish it for it to stay mine. I…

Here: https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/github-terms/github-t... > "You are responsible for keeping your Account secure." That is a non-zero amount of work. > "You may not use GitHub in violation of export control or sanctions laws of the United States or any other applicable jurisdiction" That requires you to be aware of those laws and put a non-zero amount of work into complying with them. > "You will promptly…

Keeping your account secure is not the same as maintaining a project.

But it is a great example of the social contract!

If you fail to keep your account secure you lose your account.

If you don't maintain your project then someone forks it.

That's the only social contract.

Re: Did Claude increase bugs in rsync?

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It's not a slur, clankers ain't people.

If corporations can be people, there is no reason why AI can't be considered a person.

It takes something far more hollow and soulless even than a clanker to type a thing like this.
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