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Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, this sounds so unfun to me. As I thought, actual "thinking" is providing context due to bad, not self sufficient, documentation I think I am just not result driven. I like to do stuff myself, not providing info to some super intelligence to do cognitive work This role is also require way less qualifications and cognitive ability. You need local knowledge, not fundamental knowledge: why in this exact company thing…

Yeah I’m a type-a. People talk about all their unfinished personal projects and I’m like “heh?” Why not finish?? I guess some of us can see things through and others just want to dabble. That’s fine. There’s only so much time we’re alive: don’t let other people tell you what should be fun!

One thing I can't understand: why work as SWE if you don't really care about technical side, but you care about product? Managering position is much more suitable

I also don't understand why care about result if you are working in a big company and you have fixed salary. Most of the time result isn't about better user experience, but about profits for shareholders. I guess all people are different

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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Analogy:

People that like AI are like children watching a magician and are completely hooked and in "awe". They see MAGIC!

Then there are people who see the slight of hand, the misdirection, the plain "being lied to" of the performance. They see the whole picture and can no longer "enjoy" the magic.

AI can be fantastic, there are just to many downsides (we are forced to use it, usage of land, electricity, water, money, other resources, being lied about things, lay-offs, investments that just don't make sense.... etc, etc.)

I hope, I really do, that things will change. And I hope we do not destroy everything we hold dear in the pursuit of "AI everything".

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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80%+ of arguments against AI on HN are emotion-driven. Most people on HN are SWE, and their job is a prime candidate to be replaced by AI. It also hurts the ego (hence the denial + anger) to finally realise that despite being a well paid job, it's one of the first ones to be replaced.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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First of all, I expect to be a loser in the socioeconomical effect the AI brings. This isn't really about the technology itself but about the political systems we have now. From the pure job perspective, I will either lose my job, or will keep it but it will be increasingly more stressful and less interesting. There are literally zero benefits for me as a worker. The only hope is that the economic effect will be so h…

You don't need "generational wealth" to leverage AI. If anything the opposite is true; AI empowers people with less to do more. Hiring humans is expensive, tokens are much cheaper. Also, programmers will be least negatively affected by AI. Humans will need to be in the loop in the forseable future, and programmers are a good candidate for those kinds of positions. But more generally, I'll never understand this attitu…

> AI empowers people with less to do more

I could accept this, although it's not the hard truth yet. But doing is not equal to earning money. If you do more while being employed by someone else, the benefits are reaped by your employer. You only get the expectation to do more. Also, I don't believe that businesses can expand infinitely, so the employment market might not be strictly a zero sum game, it's also not an infinite sum game. Which means the competition in the workforce rises and salaries fall.

Alternatively, you would switch to be self-employed, basically starting your own business. This is what actually requires wealth (and also connections, entrepreneur acumen and ultimately desire to do business). Saying "generational wealth" was perhaps a bit of an overtone. You could substitute some part of the wealth with other factors. But ultimately, the more money you have, the more you can spend on tokens (and other things like marketing too, but that was true before ai as well) to drive your business forward.

> It might be paid worse of lower status but, to me, being useful is the whole point.

This might sound good if you live in a country with strong social support, and believe it's going to continue doing so for your lifetime. Or alternatively, that you don't have any people that depend on you and you don't value your health or physical comfort. But most people ultimately work for money, because the base necessities (food, shelter, security, healthcare) and quality of life enhancers (education) cost a lot of money, and some are growing in cost much quicker than the salaries.

Re: Ask HN: Why is the HN crowd so anti-AI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLMs are terrible at generating code for “less commonly used languages”. They require LOTS of data for high accuracy. I describe it this way: they are good at interpolating from what data they were trained on, but terrible at extrapolating. I agree with the parent that the LLM-generated content isn’t novel, it’s just a rehash of two things it was trained on.

I have wasted quite a number of hours trying to use LLMs to write things for less common languages. Sure they can one-shot some impressive stuff in C#, Python, and JavaScript… but try working in Object Pascal: it’s non-obvious hallucination after non-obvious hallucination, presented confidently enough to make it difficult to see it’s complete garbage, so you waste a ton of time trying to polish a turd.

yet i’ve written a language using an LLM, of which there can be no prior knowledge since it’s new, and it can write that code just fine.

it’s all about context.

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