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DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

#101

I was using Claude until they banned Opencode, and now use GPT at my day job. I've been using Deepseek through Opencode Go on the $10/mo plan, and I honestly can't really tell much difference. Its just as capable, and makes the same kinds of dumb mistakes and the other two have been making since March. For the price, I'm more than happy with it.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong then. I am using claude the last 7 months and from time to time try other models like deepseek, kimi etc. Nothing can come even close to it. Claude is almost evrytime (99.99%) one shot.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

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These tests are looking increasingly like a waste of time. The "intelligence" is clearly there now. Trying to measure it seems pointless. I can't shop for hammers at the hardware store and sort by the quality of finished products they would produce. That is clearly an insane ask, but that's approximately what is being pushed for with these models now. Domain specificity (harness & environment) is where the magic happ…

I agree. I feel like sonnet 4.6 is sufficient for almost everything. Beyond that level it feels like the orchestration is more important. That being said the models still surprise me with a broad range of hallucinations, lack of epistemology or common sense or inability to follow instructions on a daily basis. Today it was trying to get opus 4.8 to just follow a simple architectural pattern for controllers in a rails…

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

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post #80

These tests are looking increasingly like a waste of time. The "intelligence" is clearly there now. Trying to measure it seems pointless. I can't shop for hammers at the hardware store and sort by the quality of finished products they would produce. That is clearly an insane ask, but that's approximately what is being pushed for with these models now. Domain specificity (harness & environment) is where the magic happ…

"the intelligence is clearly there" I wonder if I am using the same models as everyone else. To me, LLMs still give good answers 80% of the time, but 20% it fails in such a miserable way that makes it obvious that the "intelligence" is not there.

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

#104
post #80

These tests are looking increasingly like a waste of time. The "intelligence" is clearly there now. Trying to measure it seems pointless. I can't shop for hammers at the hardware store and sort by the quality of finished products they would produce. That is clearly an insane ask, but that's approximately what is being pushed for with these models now. Domain specificity (harness & environment) is where the magic happ…

"the intelligence is clearly there" I wonder if I am using the same models as everyone else. To me, LLMs still give good answers 80% of the time, but 20% it fails in such a miserable way that makes it obvious that the "intelligence" is not there.

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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really depends on the field you are in and the tasks you set and how much of it was in the training set? A webdeveloper will find it succeeding in all taks - while some c++ exotic physics simulation developer will find it lacking. The "works for me" is telling more about the field of the LLM reviewer, then the LLM.

> while some c++ exotic physics simulation developer will find it lacking Can confirm, but I always read I am holding it wrong.

I've consistently tried to apply LLMs to physics problems and they're utterly useless. They'll just confidently lie, or blatantly plagiarise source materials

The issue is once you hit niche physics simulations there simply isn't any training data available, so the limitations of them become incredibly apparent. Its also problematic because a field itself will contain lots of wrong information (its research!), and AI picks all this up uncritically

I thought I'd give chatgpt a quick spin on my favourite question, which is "is the adm formalism strictly equivalent to general relativity", to which it consistently gives the wrong answer

>Ah, now you’re hitting the subtlety head-on—that’s exactly where the “strict equivalence” claim needs nuance. Let’s unpack this carefully.

I don't know how anyone can stand these tools. Its just an obnoxious glazing machine that tells me I'm a genius consistently

Gemini gives a little more of a robust answer, but fails catastrophically for the question "is the bssn formalism numerically stable", where just about the entire answer is completely wrong from top to bottom. It certainly looks convincing. Its got all the right terminology. It manages to piece together the right set of words, but all the informational content is wrong, which isn't exactly a small problem

I struggle to see how these tools are of any use

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really depends on the field you are in and the tasks you set and how much of it was in the training set? A webdeveloper will find it succeeding in all taks - while some c++ exotic physics simulation developer will find it lacking. The "works for me" is telling more about the field of the LLM reviewer, then the LLM.

> while some c++ exotic physics simulation developer will find it lacking Can confirm, but I always read I am holding it wrong.

You're not. People are just using a hammer to build a shed and telling you it's surely good to dig a hole too.

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

#109

I was using Claude until they banned Opencode, and now use GPT at my day job. I've been using Deepseek through Opencode Go on the $10/mo plan, and I honestly can't really tell much difference. Its just as capable, and makes the same kinds of dumb mistakes and the other two have been making since March. For the price, I'm more than happy with it.

I have both subscriptions and I definitely feel gpt is better and more consistent, but when I run out of limits I don't miss it too much

Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro beats GPT-5.5 Pro on precision

#110

I was using Claude until they banned Opencode, and now use GPT at my day job. I've been using Deepseek through Opencode Go on the $10/mo plan, and I honestly can't really tell much difference. Its just as capable, and makes the same kinds of dumb mistakes and the other two have been making since March. For the price, I'm more than happy with it.

I am not sure what I am doing wrong then. I am using claude the last 7 months and from time to time try other models like deepseek, kimi etc. Nothing can come even close to it. Claude is almost evrytime (99.99%) one shot.

You're obviously not doing anything wrong if it works for you.

It worked for me too, for months, when I was working on trivial web projects.

Around February of this year it got lobotomized and I quit my subscription end of march.

I am not going back.

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