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Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

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Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

#21
> Making a website should be the easiest fucking thing in the world by now. There should be a program that you can use to spit out a website as easy as Word spits out words on paper

squarespace?

> and we - us fucking foss nerds or whoever - should've made it.

wordpress?

Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

#22
post #7

And there were a bunch of WYSIWYG editors in the mid-late 90s. It seems like everyone had one, including Netscape: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Composer

The very first web browser that ever existed – WorldWideWeb – had a WYSIWYG editor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldWideWeb

Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

#23

I enjoyed this. But reading the claim that the iPhone was bad compared to other phones of the day makes me question it all. That's so incredibly backwards. It _was_ a much better internet in your pocket. If you couldn't see that, it says something about you, not phones.

Better internet may be, but that doesn't make an entire phone. There was the terrible battery life, limited multitasking, poor camera, etc.

Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

#24

I enjoyed this. But reading the claim that the iPhone was bad compared to other phones of the day makes me question it all. That's so incredibly backwards. It _was_ a much better internet in your pocket. If you couldn't see that, it says something about you, not phones.

Very little of this rings true for me, but that part worst of all. The mobile web pre-iPhone was terrible. Nobody used it, nobody wanted to use it, and nobody wanted to build it. At best there was a shitty cut back version on the `m` subdomain. WAP/WML were terrible and didn’t give you anything close to the real web, and XHTML Basic was still-born. The iPhone came along with its “desktop class web browser” and it gen…

> Very little of this rings true

How old are you? I'm betting mid-twenties.

Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

#25

I enjoyed this. But reading the claim that the iPhone was bad compared to other phones of the day makes me question it all. That's so incredibly backwards. It _was_ a much better internet in your pocket. If you couldn't see that, it says something about you, not phones.

It was bad if you had a Nokia smartphone, or a Blackberry. Lots of people felt they weren't ready to give up their keyboards.

It's hard to make objective judgment when you're in one tribe's trench.

Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

#26

I enjoyed this. But reading the claim that the iPhone was bad compared to other phones of the day makes me question it all. That's so incredibly backwards. It _was_ a much better internet in your pocket. If you couldn't see that, it says something about you, not phones.

Better internet may be, but that doesn't make an entire phone. There was the terrible battery life, limited multitasking, poor camera, etc.

Fuck, you missed it being bad at being a phone. It launched on the network that had such bad coverage they needed Apple's hottest product ever to get people to switch. They had to put a cell repeater (or was it a miniature tower?) in the presentation center so the call would go smoothly, and still had to rig the cellular icon to always show full bars.

Judged purely as a "Let's give Ted a call"-phone, it was fucking bad compared to the competiton. They killed it in other areas, don't get me wrong, but not at being a phone.

Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

#27

I enjoyed this. But reading the claim that the iPhone was bad compared to other phones of the day makes me question it all. That's so incredibly backwards. It _was_ a much better internet in your pocket. If you couldn't see that, it says something about you, not phones.

Very little of this rings true for me, but that part worst of all. The mobile web pre-iPhone was terrible. Nobody used it, nobody wanted to use it, and nobody wanted to build it. At best there was a shitty cut back version on the `m` subdomain. WAP/WML were terrible and didn’t give you anything close to the real web, and XHTML Basic was still-born. The iPhone came along with its “desktop class web browser” and it gen…

What 'real' web are you going to get on a 1.5in phone screen?

What real web are you going to get when there's no 3g, much less a reliable signal on a lot of places.

Wap worked well for actually relaying information.

Re: Wow, if it's this easy in 1998, I bet it'll be even easier in 2026

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very little of this rings true for me, but that part worst of all. The mobile web pre-iPhone was terrible. Nobody used it, nobody wanted to use it, and nobody wanted to build it. At best there was a shitty cut back version on the `m` subdomain. WAP/WML were terrible and didn’t give you anything close to the real web, and XHTML Basic was still-born. The iPhone came along with its “desktop class web browser” and it gen…

What 'real' web are you going to get on a 1.5in phone screen? What real web are you going to get when there's no 3g, much less a reliable signal on a lot of places. Wap worked well for actually relaying information.

The original iPhone had a 3.5” screen, Wi-Fi, and EDGE. The iPhone 3G came a year later, with, shockingly, 3G. So yeah, that web browser that actually worked did actually work. Sure, it was slow compared with today’s speeds, but giving people what they want slowly matters far more than giving people what they don’t want marginally faster. Remember most people were on dial-up at home back in those days so the web was hardly fast on desktop either.

WAP might’ve been able to convey information, but so could Lynx in an 80×24 terminal – people want more than that. WAP sites were never popular (aside from some Japanese platform, IIRC) and I don’t think the average web developer had even heard of WAP or WML at the height of their popularity.

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