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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by scoofy »

donkey_brains wrote: post #51
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…

I completely agree with what you are saying, but I have grown too cynical to believe it will ever happen. American capitalism has been very effective at ensuring 2 outcomes: - The population is kept just comfortable enough to become complacent, with easy access to intoxicants, brainrot media and fast food. Now there are even robots that can do our thinking for us. A large percentage of people are brainwashed into thi…

It's not "captialism." Sweden is capitalist. Norway is capitalist. It's about America going from a high-trust wealthy society, to a low-trust, mostly lower class society with increasing wealth inequality.

If you look around the world, this is effectively the natural state of affairs: India, South Africa, Nigeria, Russia... they all have the same pattern. The US and the West was the outlier in the '50-'90 because we had a lot of wealth redistribution AND free markets. Then the boomers were like, fuck that, we want to all be rich... and they mostly are, but everyone else is fucked.

Government is hard, you need people to give a shit. We decided we don't care somewhere along the way.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by mannanj »

timmytokyo wrote: post #159
mannanj wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BtW it is at least partially fake news. Or engineered and coopted by powerful interests. I've personally reversed my own prediabetes, and helped my mom manage her own with a diet change. (yes it consisted of avoiding seed oils). No a brainwashed populace that believes doctors are whom you are supposed to get nutrition advice from, or that believes an industry that profits off of sick people who has their hands in the…

Yes, let's all do our own research, abetted by brilliant men of science like Joe Rogan and RFK Jr.

Nice Ad Hominem and Straw Man. you can't actually advocate on any of my points so you resort to attacks and logical fallacies. Name one reason I should continue to engage with someone who is judgemental and hostile and isn't listening like you.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by mannanj »

convolvatron wrote: post #194
mannanj wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BtW it is at least partially fake news. Or engineered and coopted by powerful interests. I've personally reversed my own prediabetes, and helped my mom manage her own with a diet change. (yes it consisted of avoiding seed oils). No a brainwashed populace that believes doctors are whom you are supposed to get nutrition advice from, or that believes an industry that profits off of sick people who has their hands in the…

the medical system has been opt-in forever. I completely support your decision to make your own health care decisions. glad that's working out for you. that doesn't mean you get to decide that the rest of us can't invest in medical research or pay experts that know more than us about how our bodies work to treat us.

I'm ok with that. I just don't think you should stop me from my own decisions so you can then complain and force your research and opinions on me. And also don't straw man; theres plenty of experts who are not a doctor. And they are still better than the garbage science you seem to be following.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by bArray »

ceejayoz wrote: post #80
bArray wrote: post #62

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> When you look to make a statement, you should always fully understand the cost and how it could play out. These were not children and they are responsible for their actions. Huh. A while back on here ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42390479 ) you were complaining that Alex Jones was getting too many consequences for his statements. Was he a child? Why the change in tune?

That wasn't the argument I made in 2024.

If these people at ADA were now facing a legal battle where somebody was claiming $1bn in damages, and their assets were being sold off to a bidder controlled by Trump, then I would also be claiming foul play. But these people were simply ejected for seemingly not following the rules, which seems like a reasonable action.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by bArray »

mattoxic wrote: post #69
bArray wrote: post #62

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, isn't really your . Protest is warranted. And I'm sure that these serious people felt that their actions were justified. I'm glad they did it, and I'm glad I have read about it.

I'm not making this political. I'm simply stating that they took an action, and they knew what the result of taking that action would be. They then can't get upset that the clear consequence of their protest was an entirely predictable outcome.

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Post by ciupicri »

wyldfire wrote: post #182
ciupicri wrote: post #143

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If Adria Richards and PyCon can make a such fuss about a joke [1], then other conferences can do the same about current political events. I personally wouldn't mind or better said I wouldn't be offended because the topic might be boring for me. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donglegate

This is a false equivalence. "What constitutes appropriate humor" versus "Government silences dissent." Just because the Diabetes conference cited their code of conduct doesn't mean that's actually what this is about. This is what people seem to get mixed up about the First Amendment to the US Constitution. These scientists were removed from the conference because they were highlighting the scientific role to push ba…

I was under the impression that the First Amendment means that the government can't arrest you for what you say, not that it lets you talk about whatever you like at a conference organized or supported by it. Nevertheless I understand the urge of those guys to have their voices/ideas heard.

For what it's worth, ADA has released this press statement [1]:

> As a 501(c)(3) organization, the ADA has safeguards in place to ensure that it complies with all IRS regulations. This includes maintaining a strictly nonpartisan environment at all organizational events and functions while engaging across party affiliations to advance our mission. We have always, and will continue to welcome scientific inquiry, respectful dialogue, and diverse perspectives in the pursuit of better outcomes for people living with diabetes and obesity.

[1]: https://diabetes.org/newsroom/press-releases/american-diabet...

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by ciupicri »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #148
ciupicri wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just a year ago, in these very pages, we highlighted the many threats the current U.S. administration posed to the health of our nation (1). Since then, there have been actions by the administration that have caused grave health consequences, and their current approach will continue to do so. It sounds to me like criticism of the government.

Are you against criticism of the government by private organizations?

I'm for free speech, but ADA has released this press statement [1]:

> As a 501(c)(3) organization, the ADA has safeguards in place to ensure that it complies with all IRS regulations. This includes maintaining a strictly nonpartisan environment at all organizational events and functions while engaging across party affiliations to advance our mission. We have always, and will continue to welcome scientific inquiry, respectful dialogue, and diverse perspectives in the pursuit of better outcomes for people living with diabetes and obesity.

[1]: https://diabetes.org/newsroom/press-releases/american-diabet...

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by cbarrick »

MemoryHoleHQ wrote: post #208
cbarrick wrote: post #187

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The editor-in-chief of a journal handing out a paper that was published in that journal at a conference for that journal... is quite different from ranting about space lizards in a public square. Your argument is a strawman: you are refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion. The argument isn't "is protesting at a conference acceptable?" The argument is "does this behavior constitute an una…

They weren't handing a paper published in the journal (which implies some kind of scientific paper); they were handing an opinion piece titled :Misguided Brushes of a Pen Continue to Dismantle and Destroy Biomedical Research in the United States: We Can No Longer Afford Complacency and Fear. We Must All Act Now!

So you're concerned about my use of the word "paper." That's fair I guess.

But the editorial in question was in fact published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

Just so that we're all clear on the facts:

- The editorial was published in Diabetes Care, Volume 49, Issue 6. [1]

- Diabetes Care is a publication of the American Diabetes Association (ADA). It is a peer-reviewed scientific journal with an IF of 16. [2]

- The paper being distributed was an editorial, not research. [3]

- Steven Kahn, first author of the editorial and one of those thrown out of the conference, is the editor-in-chief of Diabetes Care. [4]

- The conference in question was The American Diabetes Association’s Scientific Sessions. [5]

The important question: Should the distribution of an editorial published in an ADA journal be considered a code of conduct violation at the ADA conference?

[1]: https://diabetesjournals.org/care/issue/49/6 [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_Care [3]: https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/49/6/901/164764/Mi... [4]: https://diabetesjournals.org/care/pages/Editorial_Board [5]: https://professional.diabetes.org/scientific-sessions

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by [deleted] »

embedding-shape wrote: post #58
donkey_brains wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree with what you are saying, but I have grown too cynical to believe it will ever happen. American capitalism has been very effective at ensuring 2 outcomes: - The population is kept just comfortable enough to become complacent, with easy access to intoxicants, brainrot media and fast food. Now there are even robots that can do our thinking for us. A large percentage of people are brainwashed into thi…

What chills me the most, is the self-censorship Americans engage on social media today, everywhere online. It seems Americans today are afraid of talking clearly about general strikes, protesting, rape, sexual violence, censorship and more "taboo" topics, and I'm guessing it's because the platforms kind of shadow-ban people quickly for it. Growing up, I always heard Americans bragging about freedom of speech, and how…

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