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LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

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Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#291

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It was my impression that a whole lot of products are only pretending to be compliant, and that it's much more profitable to operate like that.

Companies that are growing tend towards faking compliance. Many financial rules like pci only kick in at certain scales. So a company growing very quickly will often be behind the curve but will do everything to seem like they are compliant. Then they would hire people like me to come in and make them actually compliant. More often than not, making an effort at improvement was enough to keep the ball rolling.

I think it's the same throughout startup software to be honest. It's just easier to point out when there's clear rules.

Security, GDPR, backups, build pipelines, disaster recovery, most of it will be faked, half-heartedly done once or ignored entirely.

Then there's the more abstract things like scalability, idempotency when integrating with external APIs, error recovery, accessibility, UX, etc.

Almost always that sort of stuff will have been entirely ignored, or there will be a fig leaf over a real mess of misunderstood standards or manual intervention steps.

Startup developers usually have to be generalists as they often wear many hats, so things that need deeper domain knowledge get done to a bare minimum.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#292

It's not just our careers. In the hunks versus nerds wars, it is now clear who has won. The nerds have made themselves obsolete and put the continued evolution of homo sapiens to an abrupt halt.

No software developers == no humans?

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#293

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> That sounds more like a problem of close minded narrow focus on economic output instead of culture, virtue and spiritual traditions. I’m starting to be more sensitive to the argument that without god, people are unable to have a strong moral foundation. Not for the people expressing creativity in how they fuck, but as a check on those in power.

>i’m starting to be more sensitive to the argument that without god, people are unable to have a strong moral foundation. Not for the people expressing creativity in how they fuck, but as a check on those in power. If this were true, why did the medieval peasant have less rights and autonomy in society than we do now?

Balance in all things.

Also, I’m “starting to be more sensitive to” I’m not fully bought in.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#294

My career path is suprisingly similar to the author's. Weirdly enough, what he takes as the first pillar to fall is the one I see most undamaged currently. LLMs routinely fail at our business specifics: Local tax regulations, particularities of the accounting process, specifics of our ledger implementations. They're great at refactoring, translating between languages, tracing bugs on existing code even, but there is…

> LLMs routinely fail at our business specifics: Local tax regulations, particularities of the accounting process, specifics of our ledger implementations.

Would a skill which forces you and LLM to reach a shared understanding of the product features and the regulations those features are supposed to capture be of help here? The main idea is we provide documents to the LLM and it asks lot of questions which clear ambiguity and possible misconceptions the LLM might have. I would suggest please take a look at skills. They are really helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BB6exR8Zd8

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#297
One other thing I find it is bound to happen is that this domain knowledge you speak of is just going to shift towards LLM domain knowledge.

Look at prompt engineering, and how quickly it became a hot thing. Does everyone know to steer their AI well? There's only so much a harness can do for you once you start attempting to one shot with a single sentence of 4 words.

As others said, "write a Rust compiler make no mistakes" can only work if you overfit a harness to that single prompt. Nobody is going to do that.

So the part you mentioned about the knowledge you accumulated around how to know that "trade-offs between implementations" and "idempotency to prevent double-charges" is just moving to the domain of the english language and tokenizers. One could argue here that this is far more interesting as it requires you to explore deeper into how we communicate and describe the world around us. Reminds me of physics and math.

I think there's an optimism lenses to it if you can grasp it as an opportunity rather than an inevitable doomsday apocalypse.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#298

To me looks like, if we're not collectively careful, civilisation will soon be on a path to an evolutionary dead-end. Anything that can replace a deeply experienced s/ware engineer can replace anyone in the employment stack, meaning that only the owners of capital will be left, and they too will soon fade as the economy falls off a cliff and money has no value, because the only value that money has is the value of a…

This is so blinkered and egocentric. Just because LLMs are good at translating English to code, doesn’t imply they are good at many other jobs. Coding isn’t that hard, it’s just not enjoyable to most people. The enjoyment has always been the barrier to entry.

the grandparent commentor predicts 'that which replaces a sweng can replace anything'. llms sure do replace certain language related tasks, sometimes, when correctly piloted. however the majority of the world do not work language related jobs. perhaps if robotics firms bridge the gap to reality using some novel architecture this prediction could come a bit more true? until then it does seem blinkered to assume a set of weights could build a house.

hard agree on the last statement. programming is language. if you're literate you can code.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#299

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>You can sit and cry, or you can learn the tools and help shape the future. What exactly are you helping shape? The volume of your employers bank account?

Chinese Gen Zers are starting companies before graduating, people are generating music and starting their own studios, others are improving models and building harnesses, and the rest are on a mission to automate the entire knowledge economy—from healthcare to governance. Regarding your employer's bank account: if that is all you were doing before, then that is all you will be doing after. You are just complaining ab…

>Chinese Gen Zers are starting companies before graduating, people are generating music and starting their own studios

Both of these have been happening before the advent of LLMs

>The irony, is that the means of production is now in the hands of millions

The "means of production" means jack shit unless you have the capital to scale up rapidly

>Those who are crying are those who paid their mortgages with for loops..well, I think they will continue doing so, with less hubris that's all.

Why is it hubris to give a damn about you spend 40 hours a week doing, or to lament change when it works against your enjoyment of those 40 hours a week. God forbid people value their time in any way that isn't monetary.

Re: LLMs are eroding my software engineering career and I don't know what to do

#300
Coding taste and good architecture are the final pillars because AIs are trained on a ton of bad examples that are presented as good examples. That pillar will stand until AIs are able to reconsider and re-evaluate the material they've been trained on.
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