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Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #58
donkey_brains wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree with what you are saying, but I have grown too cynical to believe it will ever happen. American capitalism has been very effective at ensuring 2 outcomes: - The population is kept just comfortable enough to become complacent, with easy access to intoxicants, brainrot media and fast food. Now there are even robots that can do our thinking for us. A large percentage of people are brainwashed into thi…

What chills me the most, is the self-censorship Americans engage on social media today, everywhere online. It seems Americans today are afraid of talking clearly about general strikes, protesting, rape, sexual violence, censorship and more "taboo" topics, and I'm guessing it's because the platforms kind of shadow-ban people quickly for it. Growing up, I always heard Americans bragging about freedom of speech, and how…

The chilling effect on speech on social media platforms is because they are ad funded, nothing more. Advertisers have no desire to be associated with controversy.

If someone wants unfettered speech, it has to be someplace for which they are willing to pay the hosting and moderation bills. "Private businesses don't owe you a platform for your speech" as the American left liked to say.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by lokar »

I think you have to start from:

- the organizers are doing what they think is best for the attendees, and what the majority of attendees want

And, you should consider: "what if everyone did that?"

I gather they had a paper they thought was important, but was not accepted to the conference (so they had no formal chance to present it). What would happen if everyone who's paper was rejected could just wander around passing it out and pitching it to random passerby's? I think almost everyone who attends conferences would not want that.

I wonder what other options they considered. Did the conference have a less formal forum, like workshops or something? Could the topic be discussed there? A poster session?

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by cindyllm »

shevy-java wrote: post #40
mcswell wrote: post #37

I'm hoping the Streisand Effect will take hold, and this editorial becomes the most read article ever of that journal. I've posted this news on my FB (yes...) page. And I downloaded a PDF, in case the journal takes the editorial down.

Well, there is one problem here: not everyone is interested in diabetes/nutrition. So the Streisand effect may kick in with regards to the ousted individuals, but I am not sure it will generate more interest in the topic/paper at hand. For instance, I am not particularly interested in diabetes per se; I'd be more interested in molecular medicine and what not. Either way the current administration is very hostile to s…

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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

trumpdong wrote: post #157
throwaway173738 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s not. You shouldn’t have to muzzle your opposition to feel safe, or to threaten them with jailing to feel like your ideas are being heard. That speaks to some pretty deep seated insecurity if you feel that way.

Does this advice apply in every case or does it have a restricted scope?

> Does this advice apply in every case or does it have a restricted scope?

In case you’re being serious, this has been debated in various liberal traditions since the conception liberalism was first born. In essence, the modern liberal tradition (modern as in post-Enlightenment, i.e. about the whole time America has existed) says you don’t censor anything except for forces seeking to censor (paradox of tolerance).

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by roenxi »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #138
roenxi wrote: post #131

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I mean, so the concern here is what - HN disagrees with a decision made by an ADA organiser at a conference related to whether budgets and administration is appropriate in conference scope? They got to have their say. Editorial published, made international news. I imagine all the conference attendees read it if they cared. Seems like a non-issue. Can we find a real problem for me to read up on instead? I'm having fu…

> the concern here is what ADA is violating its own code of conduct to suppress an article that calls out potentially-illegal misappropriation of diabetes-research funding by OMB and HHS, funding which falls in a results-oriented tradition and/or cuts off strong candidates for future therapies. > Seems like a non-issue Half of the front page usually is. You’re engaging with this content, so there is clearly something…

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Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by eudamoniac »

quietsegfault wrote: post #46
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…

Many of us are protesting every day.

Peaceful protest only makes sense as an implied alternative to violent protest.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lokar wrote: post #162

I think you have to start from: - the organizers are doing what they think is best for the attendees, and what the majority of attendees want And, you should consider: "what if everyone did that?" I gather they had a paper they thought was important, but was not accepted to the conference (so they had no formal chance to present it). What would happen if everyone who's paper was rejected could just wander around pass…

> you should consider: "what if everyone did that?"

Literally every academic conference.

> but was not accepted to the conference (so they had no formal chance to present it)

One, source for it not being accepted to the conference? It was accepted to the conference organizer’s journal.

Two, again, literally every academic conference. Folks handing out their papers, including preprints not published at the organizer’s journal, is ridiculously common.

> Could the topic be discussed there?

Again, literally just handing out their article.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

40four wrote: post #145
mcphage wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> given the opportunity to cease this behavior What behavior exactly were they being given an opportunity to cease?

Ask the American Diabetes Association. Their conference, their rules. Do people really believe the ADA is a puppet of the administration?

> Ask the American Diabetes Association. Their conference, their rules

Now I’m actually curious for names. One of the people thrown out is an (the?) editor of the ADA’s journal. Who in the chain of command made this call?

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by Vaslo »

embedding-shape wrote: post #39

> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…

You’re pretending like the vast majority of people are being oppressed by some military government but easily forget that tens of millions of us support the president and aren’t intimidated whatsoever by anything people like you could do.

Re: Scientists ejected from diabetes conference for distributing journal reprints

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Post by Vaslo »

quietsegfault wrote: post #46
embedding-shape wrote: post #39

> “They physically grabbed us, forced us out of the conference center, and now are telling us we can no longer attend this meeting,” Kelly told MedPage Today, which first reported the incident. “They’re taking our lanyards. It really has come to this in America. Censorship is real. America needs to stand up. Scientists, stand up. Physicians, stand up.” It's become very evident from the outside that the best time to s…

Many of us are protesting every day.

Many of us don’t care.
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