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I am giving up on VM Gaming

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Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

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I have a windows 11 VM under proxmox for gaming - I bought windows 11 retail on a USB stick. (before the AI nonsense, etc) - I run windows in a VM without a network interface. This eliminates SO MANY PROBLEMS. microsoft being problem #1 - I disabled all nonsense, windows defender was slightly harder - I share a drive with linux (only one booted at once) - linux runs lgogodownloader to load all my gog games onto the s…

> download game for offline play, then take it off the network forever.

From rough memory, even in offline mode Steam requires people to re-auth after... um... I think it's every 7 days?

Not sure about the timeframe, but it's one of those things where you can't be offline "forever".

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

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Honestly, the future is probably going to be something like Amazon Luna, where you don’t run the game locally. Cloud streaming is going to be the norm unless we start pushing back.

That would probably kill modding, and possibly kill future gaming innovation

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

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Having gone this route in the past*, once I accepted that I needed a second GPU dedicated as owned by the VM, most issues went away. No SR-IOV battles, just the simplicity of "Linux owns GPU A, Windows VM owns GPU B". If I am remembering my build from the time, I had an RX 580 for Linux, and a GTX 1070 as passthrough to the Windows VM. At first, it felt like I was "giving up" on solving some problem that felt like it…

Wouldn't it make more sense to use igpu for host than two discrete ones?

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

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post #18

Having gone this route in the past*, once I accepted that I needed a second GPU dedicated as owned by the VM, most issues went away. No SR-IOV battles, just the simplicity of "Linux owns GPU A, Windows VM owns GPU B". If I am remembering my build from the time, I had an RX 580 for Linux, and a GTX 1070 as passthrough to the Windows VM. At first, it felt like I was "giving up" on solving some problem that felt like it…

Wouldn't it make more sense to use igpu for host than two discrete ones?

Yes, that would work the same way! However, I was on an HEDT system, with no iGPU and many PCIe lanes to spare.

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

#26

> GPU sharing with docker and VMs Yeah, we really live in age of Internet Explorer 6 yet. We already have cool features in browsers, like transparent backgrounds, rounded borders, and even HTML 5 video elements, but we still cannot use VM intensively for any purpose with no hassle. Maybe 10-50 years later we finally can use Linux laptop with RTX 5060, and just run a Call Of Duty multiplayer while a local LLM will fix…

Apples aren't oranges. Making achievements in nuclear power will, 99% of the time, not apply to hydro. What are you trying to say?

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

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Ok. This whole blog post is weird.

I am currently using unraid as my server and used it for gaming as well ( though deck mostly took over that particular distraction ). In a sense, playing in VM was the initial draw. I stayed for everything else.

But the points the author is making kinda contradict themselves. Before I go to the actual claims within the post, please be aware that gaming these days is not exactly cheap. Technically, neither is running decent NAS, or server or anything these days. Not really. However, if you are trying to trying to do VM gaming ( and gaming is generally resource intensive ) and run NAS and docker and whatever else tickles your fancy, you cannot reasonably complain, because, well, you set it all up..

Claims:

Again, this whole thing is backwards. Unraid is not about budget or space. If anything, doing it well may end up being more expensive especially if you want to do gaming, AND docker, AND mebbe CV and random testing VMs and backups and NAS.

Does it sound more like an actual user issue? I might not be a heavy user, but there are very few times, I run things at all times. I can't tell if the user is complaining that unraid does not do schedule resources for them ( turn off things as it sees fit ) or expects that docker magically requires less resources.

About the only semi-valid complaint, but here it is not even an unraid issue. It is gaming ecosystem issue, but I am willing to accept it, because there is really no solving without gamers as a group actually agreeing on maximum level of bs they are willing to accept.

I suspect that the author had some sufficiently custom setup, because while none of my stuff is edge tech, I never ran into a problem that did not, at the end of the day, result from somewhere between the user and keyboard. You do have to learn a lot ( if you did not know anything about virtualization beforehand ), but that is true of most linux distributions in general. By comparison to where it used to be, the ecosystem now is fairly user friendly.

Semi-reasonable issue, but the appropriate approach here is multi-gpu rig, which, again, if you buy into unraid for VM gaming, is, maybe expected is too strong, but, but complaining about it is like pouring cheap leaded gasoline to a lambo.

Here I am willing to agree despite not running into that issue sine I use dedicated box for more intensive gpu stuff that is not gaming.

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

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I have a windows 11 VM under proxmox for gaming - I bought windows 11 retail on a USB stick. (before the AI nonsense, etc) - I run windows in a VM without a network interface. This eliminates SO MANY PROBLEMS. microsoft being problem #1 - I disabled all nonsense, windows defender was slightly harder - I share a drive with linux (only one booted at once) - linux runs lgogodownloader to load all my gog games onto the s…

Why?

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

#29

Interesting article. So for someone who is constrained to one PC, is dual booting the better option, or is there something else?

The best option is to run a Windows host with WSL and an extra EXT4 volume mounted to both windows and linux (this is a non issue as long as it's not the boot drive for linux). User WSL for everything linux, optionally you can also just mount the EXT4 volume with all your stuff to a real VM if you need to (this lets you have windows GUI apps in windows, tho maybe WSL does this now too?). Everything works, you have th…

I would recommend dual booting over doing this. Microsoft is user hostile and the only thing they care about Windows users is how much ad revenue they can get from shoving AI down their users throats.

I recommend doing a dual boot. I personally do a multi drive dual boot, because again, Microsoft is user hostile and will sometimes randomly just blow away the Linux EFI partition if they're both on the same drive. . If you have them on seperate drives and boot to the Linux drive by default you can then select Windows from the GRUB OS chooser menu. This way when Windows updates and makes changes the EFI partition its only doing it to its own drive.

This will give you the best of both worlds, the privacy and user freedom of Linux, and the ability to game on the Microslop.

Re: I am giving up on VM Gaming

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post #23

Honestly, the future is probably going to be something like Amazon Luna, where you don’t run the game locally. Cloud streaming is going to be the norm unless we start pushing back.

That would probably kill modding, and possibly kill future gaming innovation

but the major game studio don’t want you to mod, they want to sell you the same game over and over again.
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