true it is much more easier using claude design rather than Figma yet it does not produce the same output quality.
I design with Claude more than Figma now
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Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#162We already have the business side come with requirements in the form of 'solutions' that they have thought up, which more often than not are Rube Golberg-esque contraptions, that you have to conversationally reverse engineer to arrive at the actual requirements. In the future they will come with their 'ready' solution, already 'working' and be even less receptive to look at design and architecture holistically. Just…
I have seen this already. Vibecoded top to bottom.
The downside is that the business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production as is. And then there's a lot of pressure to make it happen quickly "because we can use AI to move fast". This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership.
The upside is that the idea has already been proven out much more thoroughly than a sketch on a napkin. Claude has already prompted them about edge cases and design decisions. It's very likely that at some point they had to explicitly tell Claude "don't worry about that and just make an assumption", or "I actually don't like that interaction after trying it a few times, can you do a differently". They had to write out much of their idea in clear and direct language in order to prompt the AI. They've probably been playing with their own toy because it's fun to play with toys you summoned from thin air, so they've had a chance to discover the experience and refine their own preferences.
It's probably a net negative right now because the "ship it what's the problem team" pressure is intense and stupid and demoralizing and miserable to work under. But I think it will stabilize and it might be a net positive in future projects.
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I understand Jane Street they have done great things for OCaml and they also do their own web framework (I guess that big money bin needs a lot of dashboards). I think the designer here takes a wrong approach and sort of falls into engineer envy where he wants to make prototypes as deep and realistic as possible. And that is not really the most important part of the design job. The most important thing is that the…
Taking it slow with paper and interviews works if you think about what you're doing. The other option now is shut down brain and press the slot machine lever one more time. One of the designs has got to be good soon.
(I’m the author) making ideas legible and testing them with users is part of the design process regardless of tooling. You can summarize this article as “I find LLMs more effective at making ideas legible vs figma - for the work I’m doing at Jane Street”. This has helped me iterate and it helps me test with users and get better feedback from them. I’m not just prompting “make no design mistakes” over and over.
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#164> Submit a feature (our version of a pull request) that looks and behaves exactly the way I want
What happens after the submission? Who reviews the feature? How long? Are there any limits to the size of the diff? Do reviewers push back? How often are features submitted?
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
In between some old family history and recent US politics, I think there are other things I'd rather reserve the weighty word "cult" for... However, should it arise, one of the features that might convince me is this: In the name of "loyalty" or "faith" cults require members to burn their bridges, actively cutting off their own potential to escape to any other social support network. That may mean creating enemies ou…
I don't particularly care about the US or US politics since 2016. Unless you invade a country again and we have to deal with the Fallout for years to come, that is. For example: I have banned all news about Trump administration from my home. It's simply not interesting. He is a toddler, and I have a toddler of my own.
What the leader of the free world says or does is definitely interesting to us.
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
The utility of current-era AI may well be overstated, and the business models of certain companies might be doubtful, but that doesn't make AI it a "cult".
AI is not a cult, HN regarding AI is. It's boring and it's viral and if you refuse to participate, there are still people annoying you with their beliefs. It's a fucking tool, like a fucking shovel.
"It's a fucking tool, like a fucking shovel."
The difference is, if you talk with your shovel, you are talking with yourself.
But talking to AI gives you answers and more smart ones, than most humans do. So it is still a tool, but of a very different kind.
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#167We already have the business side come with requirements in the form of 'solutions' that they have thought up, which more often than not are Rube Golberg-esque contraptions, that you have to conversationally reverse engineer to arrive at the actual requirements. In the future they will come with their 'ready' solution, already 'working' and be even less receptive to look at design and architecture holistically. Just…
I have seen this already. Vibecoded top to bottom. The downside is that the business people don't understand why you can't just put their app in production as is. And then there's a lot of pressure to make it happen quickly "because we can use AI to move fast". This is going to come down to healthy organization dynamics, and hopefully represents a learning opportunity for leadership. The upside is that the idea has a…
> It's very likely that at some point they had to explicitly tell Claude "don't worry about that and just make an assumption",
Non technical folks vibe coding aren't explicitly telling Claude anything other than "Accept"
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
AI is not a cult, HN regarding AI is. It's boring and it's viral and if you refuse to participate, there are still people annoying you with their beliefs. It's a fucking tool, like a fucking shovel.
"It's a fucking tool, like a fucking shovel." The difference is, if you talk with your shovel, you are talking with yourself. But talking to AI gives you answers and more smart ones, than most humans do. So it is still a tool, but of a very different kind.
And here is where we disagree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect
We are no further to general artificial intelligence than we were a decade ago.
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#169honestly, for me, chatgpt has more replaced dribbble than it has figma.
where i'd normally spend hours combing through dribbble looking for inspiration for layouts for specific components (most of the time finding nothing), now I use chatgpt to come up with a number of different designs, then port them over to figma.
most designs produced by cgpt arent production-ready, especially for mobile. figma allows me to set proper constraints (screen size, for example), that give it a more grounded "shape"
for that reason, the actual final design is still by hand for now. however, the translation from design to implementation is greatly sped up by codex, which basically does it pixel-perfect.
all the same, still lots of tweaks needed before the final implementation is ready. design to code still has a bunch of issues that often need figuring out/standardising - font sizes, weights, etc.
this is on mobile btw, where space is very limited. havent worked on a website in a while, but i'd imagine the extra space would allow for far more liberty. i do not miss having to craft ten different designs just to ensure responsiveness. massive pita.
Re: I design with Claude more than Figma now
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
"It's a fucking tool, like a fucking shovel." The difference is, if you talk with your shovel, you are talking with yourself. But talking to AI gives you answers and more smart ones, than most humans do. So it is still a tool, but of a very different kind.
And here is where we disagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect We are no further to general artificial intelligence than we were a decade ago.
Thanks, but I don't need to click, that to know what is inside.
And to be honest, a LLM could have give me the same response.
(But I made no claims of AGI btw.)