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Re: Ntsc-rs – open-source video emulation of analog TV and VHS artifacts

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Post by qubex »

npunt wrote: post #34

Time to wheel out one of my favorite quotes about the signature of a medium: "Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out…

There’s certainly a Baudrillard reference to be made here, but I’m not awake enough to exactly phrase it (yet).

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Post by throwaway2046 »

zzo38computer wrote: post #86

I had written a NTSC emulator in C, based on some other equations I had found, although it expects command-line arguments to control many things (such as the phase), and expects a grey scale farbfeld picture as input and produces farbfeld as output, so it is with still pictures rather than videos.

Could you provide a link to your project?

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Post by jeffreygoesto »

npunt wrote: post #54
Kaliboy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never heard of this quote, but "heard" something similar a while ago, must have been 2020. I was watching a live worship session on Youtube and it was beautiful, kept my mind at peace. Now mind you at the same time I was also a perfectionist, which means you tend to see imperfections in others. Now at a certain point the singer's voice broke as she was hitting a high note. But before I could mentally register the i…

Cracks in the voice are so visceral. One I love is in the Rolling Stone's Gimme Shelter, Merry Clayton is just about screaming and her voice cracks and they kept the band's cheering reaction to it on the record [1]. Truly a case of the subject matter trying to break out of the medium. Related is that a lot of cultures embrace intentional imperfections in art for spiritual reasons, as it conveys authenticity and humil…

One of my favorites: https://youtu.be/Jm-FH82lVbE?si=MoD1qaMMtCpRsJwS

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Post by danaris »

ClikeX wrote: post #41
devindotcom wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Film is a fun, interesting, authentic, and useful medium for filmmakers, and there are established workflows for it. A camcorder writing interlaced video to miniDV may have its charms (I still have a great old Panasonic 3CCD one) but as a filmmaking tool it would be really inconvenient. Shooting in an ordinary digital workflow and adding the effect later is a no brainer production-wise. That said, I would not be surp…

For modern movies, where you likely need to adjust some things in the scene using CGI, it is much easier to just add VFX to a pristine 4k image and then deep fry it with something like this. As for your second point. A friend of mine's little sister asked him for help setting up the vintage camera she bought. And it was an early 00s digital point & shoot.

And if you want to give a really unsettling effect, you could first apply a filter like this, then add some crisp CG on top of it.

Give the idea that this is something from another reality.

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Post by mgaunard »

emayljames wrote: post #79
mgaunard wrote: post #78

Why so much love for NTSC and so little for PAL and SECAM?

Interlacing is synonymous with 80's/90's video

PAL and SECAM are also interlaced.

Except PAL/SECAM don't have any of the color issues of NTSC.

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Post by Yeask »

numpad0 wrote: post #68
nemomarx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually surprised there isn't much of a scene for authentic camcorder footage - directors love to bust out real black and white film cameras for stuff?

The difference is that films had better performances than digital equivalents in some areas for a long time. It isn't/wasn't just nostalgia. The imaging device used in electronic camcorders before the transition to CCD had visibly gray whites. They weren't so great by any standards. Hence very few chases it, with nostalgia being the sole reason to do it.

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Post by unleaded »

ahartmetz wrote: post #55
BretonForearm wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature [...] I bet the first viewers of VHS were busier with marveling at color, compactness and convenience instead of thinking of the new medium as something ugly and nasty. New technology that gets very popular usually starts as state of the art and impressive, and it's only in retrospect that people think of…

I've always disliked VHS. Broadcast TV was available for comparison at the time and it looked much better. DVD resolution seemed fine to me at the time - it does not seem fine anymore. Cassettes were not great, not terrible compared to CDs. That is still the case because stereo audio doesn't get much better than CDs. Conclusion: Whether something seems good at the time depends on availability of something similar but…

I think 480p resolution can look a lot better than people make it out to be. I reckon people's perception of it has been warped by YouTube serving dreadful low-bitrate 480p video for years.

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Post by sharperguy »

npunt wrote: post #34

Time to wheel out one of my favorite quotes about the signature of a medium: "Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out…

So in future we will have "retro" streaming platforms that buffer with the spinner a random times for nostalgia and have menus full of promotional material that are impossible to navigate to just find what you're looking for.

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

Kaliboy wrote: post #35
npunt wrote: post #34

Time to wheel out one of my favorite quotes about the signature of a medium: "Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out…

I never heard of this quote, but "heard" something similar a while ago, must have been 2020. I was watching a live worship session on Youtube and it was beautiful, kept my mind at peace. Now mind you at the same time I was also a perfectionist, which means you tend to see imperfections in others. Now at a certain point the singer's voice broke as she was hitting a high note. But before I could mentally register the i…

> In an instant it reframed the imperfect into perfect for that moment and thus forever.

In Islamic art, the artist often leaves a mistake in a pattern, or a little blob, or some error somewhere in it, because only God is perfect.

In Japan, craftsmen will leave a tiny scratch on an immaculately polished piece of wood, to show how perfect the rest is.

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

BigTTYGothGF wrote: post #14

Idle thought: I don't think I've ever seen one of these TV emulator things implement the situation where the vertical oscillator was slightly wrong and you get the picture slowly looping up the screen.

There is, but there isn't one that puts in realistic "teletext sparkles" at the top.

I'd donate heavily to one that would actually let you send decodable teletext pages in the output ;-)

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