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The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#91

Are there any defenses I can put in front of my websites that are good for stopping these things? The amount of traffic I see from residential proxies is just killing me. In particular defense against residential proxies.

Solutions exist specifically for detecting residential proxy traffic: https://layer3intel.com/tripwire

You can also check if your network is running a residential proxy exit node here: https://layer3intel.com/is-my-network-a-residential-proxy

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#92

I never connect any “smart” device to wifi. If it doesn’t work without connectivity, I don’t want it. I use my TVs as display devices. They have HDMI-in and that’s it.

I have a smart TV that's never spoken to the internet after exiting the factory, but it's a pretty tenuous state of affairs. I have this fear that someone staying over is going to see the "Services unavailable, press [menu] to troubleshoot" toast that shows up overtop the HDMI feed for a few seconds and think they're helping me by connecting it. 4-5 years worth of firmware updates all at once... half a decade of watc…

> after having fufilled it's one true purpose of telling someone at samsung my favourite show is HDMI2.

It is able to identify content directly from the pixels, they will know what you've watched even if it was from a pirated .mp4 served from your PC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_content_recognition

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#93
Proposed mitigations look weak:

- DNS block & SNI filtering: I expect BrightData to rotate the endpoints if this issues gains enough attention. It will take some time once all the apps embedding the SDK catch up, but if they're smart SDK may already have a backup C&C connection they will try to reach out to after prolonged unavailability of the current endpoints.

- TLS fingerprint: unless SDK pins it, it's the cheapest one to rotate continously.

- MDM solution: almost unattainable to private users; not clear how stable the SDK name is to rely on.

Not saying I have a better approach. It seems behavior like this should be explicitly banned on Apple/Google's side with immediate termination of their publisher accounts.

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#95
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> After config fetch, the SDK opens a persistent WebSocket to: wss://proxyjs.brdtnet.com:443 This hostname resolves to AWS Global Accelerator IPs There is some irony that both the scrapers and the websites being scraped are probably hosted on AWS, while playing an elaborate cat-and-mouse game pretending that they weren't.

Bright Data is available as a product on AWS Marketplace

https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile?id=bf9b432...

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have this fear that someone staying over is going to This happened to me. After they left, I tried a factory reset, but I don't have confidence there's not some code to remember previously saved wifi connections because my tinfoil hat is firmly in place. However, as you've said I only use the TV as an HDMI receiver. None of the TV's apps are used again. So I'm not sure how much they can detect from just the use o…

HDMI is heavily used for ACR (automatic content recognition) in smart TVs: "Our findings indicate that (1) ACR operates even when it is used as a “dumb” display via HDMI" "For both LG (a) and Samsung (b)TVs, the scenarios with the highest ACR traffic are Linear and HDMI." * https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/3646547.3689013

Sure, but what can it do without a network?

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#97

I never connect any “smart” device to wifi. If it doesn’t work without connectivity, I don’t want it. I use my TVs as display devices. They have HDMI-in and that’s it.

I get this policy in theory but don't see how it works in practice in a modern life where you want some device that runs Netflix, YouTube, of similar to show on your TV. It can be the TV or an android box - but somewhere you end up trusting a third party and a software that may end up running other this party apps. The alternative is a local jellyfin server but that means you very likely have to break some laws to put content that the family wants to see on it.

Personally I'd just not want any TV in my house, but convincing the family of that is not easy ;-)

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#98
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Groups like Bright Data have pretty good KYC. After the scare of the police visit, the actual perpetrator would go to prison.

> Groups like Bright Data have pretty good KYC. They don't. I use their residential proxies without ever having KYC'd.

Sorry I don't know your use case, but wonder - looking at the Op post don't you feel like you are supporting a rather malicious company preying on tech illiterate users? I can understand the desire for a VPN that gives residential identities but plainly this is against the will or interests of the "provider".

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#99
post #23

If the kind of proxying isn't illegal, in my opinion it should be -- saying it's bordering on circumvention of fundamental assumptions about Internet routing and IP address leasing (and ownership), would be a sorry understatement compared to what Bright Data has managed to package into a product payment: > you are allowing Bright Data to occasionally use your device’s free resources and _IP address to download public…

It's completely legal and the law you mentioned about IP routing and address ownership does not exist.

But I didn't mention any law? My first sentence is written the way it is, for a reason?

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

#100
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's completely legal and the law you mentioned about IP routing and address ownership does not exist.

But I didn't mention any law? My first sentence is written the way it is, for a reason?

There isn't and shouldn't be such a law. Europe has these KYC for IP address laws and it sucks.
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