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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by nixon_why69 »

yonaguska wrote: post #246
vkou wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, because different factions in the regime are at odds with eachother - there's MAGA, who are a sock puppet for whatever Netanyahu wants, and who spearheaded the idiotic war with Iran, and there's the entire military, which thinks that this war is by far the dumbest thing they've been asked to do... This year. Did this announcement come from the military side of things, or the MAGA side of things?

MAGA has split hard. it's now MIGA vs AF. With MIGA being mostly boomer evangelicals and AF being younger, either outright fuentes antisemites or just anti Zionists that lean right. There is a huge astroturfing campaign to make it seem like MAGA is unanimously pro netanyahu, but it's simply fake.

Look at what happened to Massie. Pro-peace MAGA was always a mirage.

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Post by karim79 »

bigyabai wrote: post #315
karim79 wrote: post #242

These threads are always fun. The mental gymnastics of the Israeli "splainers" will never fail to amaze me. Israelsplainers perhaps. I want to say that it's just Netanyahu who needs to go away but it's actually much, much more than just him. The tide is shifting methinks and rightly so (and finally).

> Israelsplainers perhaps The Israeli wumao: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara Hasbara has no direct English translation, but roughly means "explaining". It is a communicative strategy that "seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified". [...] In its 2025 budget, Israel planned to spend $150 million on hasbara, a 20-fold increase. In the 2026 budget, NIS 2.35 billion (about $730 million) has been a…

I appreciate the comment and I'm well aware and fully clued up on the history of Hasbara and the rest. I actually thought the word "Hasbara" was closer to "explanation". Close enough lexically I guess.

I just find this really depressing and I hope that there will be an end in sight. The happenings of right now is the stuff of horror novels.

But still, it is fucking disturbing shit which somehow has a place in the world.

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Post by s5300 »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #276
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

In part it's because they have the best intelligence apparatus in the world. I'm very impressed at how far above their weight they're punching.

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Post by Terr_ »

WarmWash wrote: post #317
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

Really it comes down to religion, and Israel being the bastion of anti-islam in the Middle East. Doesn't hurt that they are also liberal democracy and have advanced economy as well.

> liberal democracy

With a big honking caveat-asterisk that it only applies if you're on the right side of the apartheid.

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Post by Chu4eeno »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #276
throwaway27448 wrote: post #191

I don't think I've ever seen in all of my wide understanding of history, such a tiny state successfully make an empire its vassal. Truly an astounding feat. It would be highly entertaining if it didn't bode poorly for humanity.

In part it's because they have the best intelligence apparatus in the world. I'm very impressed at how far above their weight they're punching.

If you can see enough of what an intelligence apparatus is doing to be impressed I'd say they're not doing a very good job.

What they seem to be most unique in is the impunity of their operations, like when they assassinated a completely innocent guy in Norway, of all places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

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Post by ai_fry_ur_brain »

kumarski wrote: post #271

I had a few GS15s sit down with me in 2019 and explain to me directionally the vibe on Israel. Changed my viewpoint forever. For ~50 years America has subcontracted to Israel a portion of its intelligence operations and sometimes largely for plausible deniability, other times because we cannot spy on our own citizens - the last part wasn't said explicitly - but what I could grok. IMHO, the Israeli apparatus has gone…

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Post by FunnyUsername »

basilgohar wrote: post #60
pbiggar wrote: post #20

Every Big Tech company employs hundreds of "former" Israeli spies - Google just brought on another 900 via their acquisition of Wiz (to add to their existing 6000).

This is well known and documented. It should not be downvoted. Zionism in Big Tech is a huge issue. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese documented this extensively in her report that got her sanctioned by the US. [0] TurboTax had IDF soldiers in uniform in their offices. [1] [0] https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ah…

Presumably he's a reservist who was drafted after his country was invaded, and tried to attend a few work calls (although he should have been on paid leave) while drafted. What's the issue?

Also one reservist is not "soldiers", and a video call is not "in their offices".

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Post by an0malous »

himata4113 wrote: post #10

I really dislike when a tiny fraction of the conspiracy theories become true since it validates people who believe in them. But I have to admit I do have one of my own, pegasus and related spyware can gain a lot of power over politicians i.e. blackmail which makes me think about how much of our politics are based solely on the fact that politicians often find themselves exploiting their powers and then possibly getti…

Why did you not believe this particular theory before? It never seemed like an outlandish idea to me at all that some US politicians could be blackmailed by foreign interests.

I don’t get this blanket rejection of “conspiracy theories”, it’s like the moment you describe something as a conspiracy theory a large group of self identified intellectuals just dismiss it offhand. It doesn’t make sense as a category, of course people conspire.

If I could propose a lesson to be learned, maybe stop categorizing things as “conspiracy theories” and take each theory on the merit of its evidence and how it fits the facts.

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Post by defrost »

dmix wrote: post #272
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The moment Israel killed the US’s intended replacement The plan was fucked from conception. Not having a strategy for safeguarding the Strait made virtually any strategy that required persisting after decapitation half baked.

The issue wasn't a lack of planning by the military it was a lack of commitment on the goals by the administration. If it was just a desert storm style campaign (hit them very hard over a month then leave without finishing off Saddam) then they should have left already when Iran offered to open the strait, and it could have been sold as a success. If they want Iran to truely bend the knee over nukes then they have to…

> If they want Iran to truely bend the knee over nukes

then they never should have torn up the agreement that saw multiple third party inspectors having feet on the ground and leaving in place tamper resistant / tamper revealing air filters and spectrometer instrumentation.

Instead a path has been taken that has upped the HEU game and hardened the core guard and fanatics.

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