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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by orwin »

parineum wrote: post #130
tyre wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was also a bad idea then. They could never have effected regime change. That’s a fantasy that Israel included in its pressure on the US, but which US intelligence deemed highly implausible. There was never a world where this was a good idea. We had a diplomatic agreement that worked, nuked it for no gain, and now there isn’t a viable way to influence Iran. Diplomacy can’t function again because they don’t trust th…

> We had a diplomatic agreement that worked, nuked it for no gain, and now there isn’t a viable way to influence Iran. I see this repeateded a lot but it doesn't follow to me that the facility that was bombed in midnight hammer was created and begun operating after that agreement was cancelled. It seems clear to me that Iran never stopped using that facility. It seems to me that Iran's goal is to develop a nuclear we…

That facility was a nuclear research facility for civilian, military and medical use. Note that military doesn't mean weapons. Iran getting nuclear submarine would increase their threat level. In any case, Iran have a fatwa against developing nuclear bombs (a fatwa is a law edicted by a religious leader, and not respecting it would make you sinful and rebellious, and in a theocratic regime, often end in prison). The fatwa isn't reversed yet afaik, but the US killed the mufti who declared it, so I don't know how it applies.

But anybody saying Iran was working on a bomb is probably misinformed or lying imho.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

thisislife2 wrote: post #167
delecti wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.

Both Netanyahu and Trump have a vested interest in promoting the idea of how much influence Israel has over US foreign policy. For Netanyahu, the propaganda that he manipulated Trump into waging a war against Iran boosts his political image with some Israelis. (And it is near election season in Israel).

I don't see how that's a win for him since the outcome was a stronger Iran.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by throwaway534631 »

YZF wrote: post #179
throwaway534631 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No Active Bomb-Making (2016–2019): Neither the U.S. intelligence community nor the IAEA found evidence that Iran was spinning secret centrifuges or actively manufacturing a weapon at these sites while the JCPOA was in effect. The traces found were leftover from the pre-2003 weapons program. Thanks. You proved my point. Did you even read the first article you posted? > "...the material in question is probably from a…

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> between 2009 and 2018, it said." -> this is smack in the middle of the JCPOA period.

The US withdrew in the 2018, so it is actually not "smack in the middle".

> And yes, this is from 2025, but it's about non-compliance during the period where the JCPOA was active.

It is actually not. You are not reading the material you are providing.

> The findings in the "comprehensive" ... pave the way for a push by the United States, Britain, France and Germany for the board to declare Iran in violation of its non-proliferation obligations.

> It would be the first time in almost 20 years Iran has formally been found in non-compliance.

Please read that last quote one more time.

> It would be the first time in almost 20 years Iran has formally been found in non-compliance.

But also this is about "violation of its non-proliferation obligations" not JCPOA.

You are going against the IAEA and US intel community which are both in agreement that Iran was compliant during that period. I think you have biases for which you are misinterpreting the facts. Either that or you are purposely spreading misinformation. In any case I will not purse this thread anymore.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by karp773 »

noworriesnate wrote: post #147
screye wrote: post #136

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How can a vassal state with 1/60th your GDP 'influence' your nation into a war ? It's a rhetorical question. It can't. Makes the MAGA military look incompetent. The US has a history of botched wars around the globe, most of which have little to do with Israel. If I'm drawing from data, then the Iran conflict is consistent with the post-war military movements of the US. Now that the communists are no more, Israel is t…

Israel obviously influenced American politicians through many avenues, not the least of which is the Epstein blackmail ring.

Right. That"s why Epstein wired millions of dollars to Russia, had a Russian bodyguard, gave away his estate to some Belorussian woman, and so on. Obviously, Mossad at work here!

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

noworriesnate wrote: post #147
screye wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can a vassal state with 1/60th your GDP 'influence' your nation into a war ? It's a rhetorical question. It can't. Makes the MAGA military look incompetent. The US has a history of botched wars around the globe, most of which have little to do with Israel. If I'm drawing from data, then the Iran conflict is consistent with the post-war military movements of the US. Now that the communists are no more, Israel is t…

Israel obviously influenced American politicians through many avenues, not the least of which is the Epstein blackmail ring.

Oh come on. Israel and US have been allies for 80 years. Not everything is about Jeffrey Epstein.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by thisislife2 »

EA-3167 wrote: post #135
delecti wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.

Along these lines, but with a bit more: Israel definitely wanted us to do this, but they've been trying to sell US presidents on this for decades without success. MBS and the Saudis also want this, but you rarely read about that in the news; likewise with the UAE and quite a few others who have even been running their own direct strikes on Iran. The thing is, and I realize this is a rough climate to say this into: Je…

> MBS and the Saudis also want this

While it is true that the Saudis are hostile to Iran and do want Iran's power to be curtailed, they were never in favour of the current war because they knew the plan was ill-thought and suicidal for it, as they knew how Iran would respond (and how ill-prepared they and the American military was to defend them). Iran's foreign policy with its Arab neighbours is based on the blunt but simple principle - "Peace for all. Prosperity for all." Implied in it is that if any of the Arab neighbours upset the public peace in Iran and / or attacked its economy, it would retaliate to ensure they too wouldn't have any peace or prosperity. And that's exactly how it played out ...

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by orwin »

Cyph0n wrote: post #157
ceejayoz wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one’s putting a public traffic cam in the regime’s secret detention sites.

Ah, so now none of the protesters were gunned down in the streets? How convenient. > As many as 30,000 people could have been killed in the streets of Iran on Jan. 8 and 9 alone, two senior officials of the country’s Ministry of Health told TIME—indicating a dramatic surge in the death toll. https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-... Imagine infiltrating the Iranian surveillance camera network an…

Yeah, the 30k number is hogwash, but HR NGOs and OSINT volunteers worked up 7k dead in protest over 50 days, including 200 police/military forces, and a maximum of 18k death if you count the fights against separatist/freedom fighter/terrorists (depending on who you are aligned with, choose the description you like more)

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by watwut »

delecti wrote: post #48
basilgohar wrote: post #31

"Government suddenly and confusingly starts acting accordingly to what everyone's already know for a long time." This is really quite scary when you think about it. Why now all of a sudden?

Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.

Isreal wanted it. Strong and influential amrrican political actors wanted it too. Hegseth wanted it too.

Now that it is shitshow, the same people want to put blame on Israel only.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by watwut »

parineum wrote: post #130
tyre wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was also a bad idea then. They could never have effected regime change. That’s a fantasy that Israel included in its pressure on the US, but which US intelligence deemed highly implausible. There was never a world where this was a good idea. We had a diplomatic agreement that worked, nuked it for no gain, and now there isn’t a viable way to influence Iran. Diplomacy can’t function again because they don’t trust th…

> We had a diplomatic agreement that worked, nuked it for no gain, and now there isn’t a viable way to influence Iran. I see this repeateded a lot but it doesn't follow to me that the facility that was bombed in midnight hammer was created and begun operating after that agreement was cancelled. It seems clear to me that Iran never stopped using that facility. It seems to me that Iran's goal is to develop a nuclear we…

Iran was entitled to have radio active materia. Pretty much everyone involved says they followed the contract.
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