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Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by rf15 »

EA-3167 wrote: post #135
delecti wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.

Along these lines, but with a bit more: Israel definitely wanted us to do this, but they've been trying to sell US presidents on this for decades without success. MBS and the Saudis also want this, but you rarely read about that in the news; likewise with the UAE and quite a few others who have even been running their own direct strikes on Iran. The thing is, and I realize this is a rough climate to say this into: Je…

Forcing the existence of a new jewish state has created, as expected, a permanent political fissure in the area. This is just dumb ideas piling up upon one another.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by awesome_dude »

EA-3167 wrote: post #135
delecti wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.

Along these lines, but with a bit more: Israel definitely wanted us to do this, but they've been trying to sell US presidents on this for decades without success. MBS and the Saudis also want this, but you rarely read about that in the news; likewise with the UAE and quite a few others who have even been running their own direct strikes on Iran. The thing is, and I realize this is a rough climate to say this into: Je…

It's Israel's immediate history (as in the last year or so) that's made it an easier scapegoat.

That and the Saud's, despite an appalling human rights record, are politically difficult to blame for anything (including Bin Laden), because of their (brilliant) petro politics - playing the Eastern bloc off against the West incredibly well.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by Tade0 »

shevy-java wrote: post #145
delecti wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.

> So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it. Well, it is clear to see that this is Netanyahu's ploy, but the thing is that Trump constantly lies about this. "There are negotiations", but then the US bombs again. To me it seems as if Trump operates in a way that makes it impossible to have anything else but drop bombs onto Iran. In this way he resembles Putin, who tries to occupy more an…

> Yes, Putin could in theory stop his war, but he tied his identity to it

More like his life. He will not survive the end of this war.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by lostlogin »

WaxProlix wrote: post #15
lazystar wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or more likely, like we the public do not have the full context of whats going on behind the scenes.

Yeah, I have to imagine Donald Trump has better intel and is making wise, measured, well-informed decisions beyond the abilities of your average HNer.

If we assume everything you say here is true, why is the US in such a bind with reopening the straits? The risk of Iran behaving exactly like this has been understood for decades. The attack was not a a wise, measured move.

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Post by opsnooperfax »

pbiggar wrote: post #20

Every Big Tech company employs hundreds of "former" Israeli spies - Google just brought on another 900 via their acquisition of Wiz (to add to their existing 6000).

Well, I for one can’t imagine someone more qualified to work in content moderation at Meta than someone who spent his or her formative years murdering unarmed children in the Gaza Strip. These companies need morally grounded, paragons of decency to set the example for us all.

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by thisislife2 »

delecti wrote: post #48
basilgohar wrote: post #31

"Government suddenly and confusingly starts acting accordingly to what everyone's already know for a long time." This is really quite scary when you think about it. Why now all of a sudden?

Maybe this is a bit glib, but it's because attacking Iran (which everyone knew was a bad idea but which presumably seemed useful as a distraction) turned out to be a bad idea. So the administration is taking it out on Israel, who wanted us to do it.

Both Netanyahu and Trump have a vested interest in promoting the idea of how much influence Israel has over US foreign policy. For Netanyahu, the propaganda that he manipulated Trump into waging a war against Iran boosts his political image with some Israelis. (And it is near election season in Israel).

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by throwaway534631 »

YZF wrote: post #151
throwaway534634 wrote: post #134

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> Where you're definitely wrong is on the "diplomatic agreement that worked". Iran continued to enrich violating the agreement... No, actually it is you who is wrong. Iran absolutely complied with the JCPOA. It is after US withdrew from the agreement that they pursued enrichment further.

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> No Active Bomb-Making (2016–2019): Neither the U.S. intelligence community nor the IAEA found evidence that Iran was spinning secret centrifuges or actively manufacturing a weapon at these sites while the JCPOA was in effect. The traces found were leftover from the pre-2003 weapons program.

Thanks. You proved my point. Did you even read the first article you posted?

> "...the material in question is probably from a clandestine project that was first discovered in 2005 and reported by the IAEA the next year. ... If the material was from that time period, it would be a safeguards violation but not a violation of the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which regulates nuclear activity from 2016. The green salt project was halted in 2004, and while all the documentation was carefully preserved ... there has been no indication of it having been resumed"

Your second article is from 2025 and it probably refers to last couple of years.. The US withdrew in 2018... Of course they continued enrichment after that withdrawal.

Let me add a bit more:

"The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released its quarterly report on Iran’s nuclear program June 6 [2018], and, unsurprisingly, the report found that Iran is complying with its commitments under the multilateral deal known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)." [1]

Again. You are wrong on this one! Iran adhered to JCPOA. US pulled out. Iran continued enrichment beyond limits defined by JCPOA as the agreement was dead by then.

[1] https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-06-08/iaea-report-conf...

Re: Pentagon raised threat of Israeli spying on U.S. to highest level, sources say

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Post by jasonlotito »

Arodex wrote: post #80
Aboutplants wrote: post #8

Legitimate question, what would Israel need that we don’t already openly provide?

Trump doesn't let Bibi bomb Lebanon and doesn't fight to the last American in Iran

Trump doesn't let?

Trump is sitting in a chair in the corner of the room of any negotiation he's in. He's weak at best.

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