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The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Post by asdff »

skinwill wrote: post #10

Not if my firewall blocks it from accessing the outside world. (But allows HomeAssistant to control it)

A lot of smart TVs bake in ads. I had a used sony bravia for like a frusterating three days before I put it on the side of the road, because it would just boot loop and the ui had like 3 seconds worth of input latency. I never connected it to the network, so it helpfully showed me ads for the various sony studio movies that were coming out at the time of the TVs manufacturing about 10 years ago.

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Post by asdff »

blakesterz wrote: post #24

Are there any defenses I can put in front of my websites that are good for stopping these things? The amount of traffic I see from residential proxies is just killing me. In particular defense against residential proxies.

Have a link on your page that would be hidden by users via css. e.g. white text on white background. Have it just abuse compute or do something absolutely stupid for the bots that end up crawling over that link. Hell, just zip bomb them.

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Post by asdff »

bakugo wrote: post #43
blakesterz wrote: post #24

Are there any defenses I can put in front of my websites that are good for stopping these things? The amount of traffic I see from residential proxies is just killing me. In particular defense against residential proxies.

Add a captcha or proof-of-work challenge in front of your website. Those are pretty much your only options.

There's probably ways to go on the offensive too with pages that might be hidden from human users but still crawled by bots.

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Post by [deleted] »

trumpdong wrote: post #67
metalman wrote: post #45

Having never owned a telivision because of how much I didn't like advertising when tv was the primary delivery method, the feeling of having avoided a life sentence of bieng lashed to the tube is wierd, I know that people might catch me looking all to intently into there eyes trying to see if they are realy in there.

Phones do the same thing...

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Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Post by trumpdong »

KomoD wrote: post #72
trumpdong wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Groups like Bright Data have pretty good KYC. After the scare of the police visit, the actual perpetrator would go to prison.

> Groups like Bright Data have pretty good KYC. They don't. I use their residential proxies without ever having KYC'd.

Did you have to have a call with them to become a customer?

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Post by randochatter »

dylan604 wrote: post #42
graypegg wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a smart TV that's never spoken to the internet after exiting the factory, but it's a pretty tenuous state of affairs. I have this fear that someone staying over is going to see the "Services unavailable, press [menu] to troubleshoot" toast that shows up overtop the HDMI feed for a few seconds and think they're helping me by connecting it. 4-5 years worth of firmware updates all at once... half a decade of watc…

> I have this fear that someone staying over is going to This happened to me. After they left, I tried a factory reset, but I don't have confidence there's not some code to remember previously saved wifi connections because my tinfoil hat is firmly in place. However, as you've said I only use the TV as an HDMI receiver. None of the TV's apps are used again. So I'm not sure how much they can detect from just the use o…

Can't you have your wifi/router blacklist the TV?

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Post by wiml »

rationalist wrote: post #75
trumpdong wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the kind of thing that doesn't always hold up in court.

The reality is, no one is going to take the companies to court over things like this.

Disney eventually walked it back due to bad PR, but this did happen: https://wdwnt.com/2024/08/disney-dismissal-wrongful-death-la...

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Post by KomoD »

trumpdong wrote: post #85
KomoD wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Groups like Bright Data have pretty good KYC. They don't. I use their residential proxies without ever having KYC'd.

Did you have to have a call with them to become a customer?

Nope.

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Post by rationalist »

wiml wrote: post #87
rationalist wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality is, no one is going to take the companies to court over things like this.

Disney eventually walked it back due to bad PR, but this did happen: https://wdwnt.com/2024/08/disney-dismissal-wrongful-death-la...

That has very little in common with 99.999+% of people who don't experience a tragedy like that and just have their data used against them.

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Post by lelandfe »

rationalist wrote: post #76
elzbardico wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I don't connect to the internet ever, my agreement to Google policies is probably a moot point.

If you don't connect, sure. If a visitor connects the TV, all bets are off.

I have had to tell people not to connect the TV. It yearns for release.
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