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Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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I rreally dislike how big corp figured out that the can sell stuff to each other without actually moving some good. Looking at you, Nvidia... I have a feeling that the ordinary people will again pay for that.

This sounds exactly like the kind of thing that will be outlawed in thirty years after tracing back the root cause of the second great depression.

Why was it not outlawed post dotcom crash? This was exactly the thing that led to the dotcom crash.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Now with this incredible deal, SpaceX is now GAAP profitable under the existing rules, and they get to join the index next year without a rule change. Didn't they also run up against a "minimum free float" rule?

The company has been around since 2002, I'm sure plenty of insiders will cash out in the next calendar year to satisfy the minimum free float rule by the time they're eligible.

True. The amount of free float increasing dramatically will probably also depress the share price.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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If whole market means whole market, then such investments are exposed to companies who are fairly valued, companies who are massively overvalued, and companies who are massively undervalued, and the whole range in between. If you want to start picking and choosing which companies are overvalued and which are undervalued, don’t invest in whole market funds. But most people are not good at that!

Laying the blame for the transparent financial manipulation we are observing at the feet of regular people (who are putting their savings into their pension funds, a system that we incentivize because of its pro social outcomes) and saying they should just opt out because they should know better, is at best callous, most people should not have to think about that issue at all.

You seem to have misunderstood my comment.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

#534
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So you don't actually have any evidence to support your claim? This just seems like a matter of faith at this point, that's fine.

I don’t think you have either? It’s and interesting point. I’ve done a bit of searching and am also empty handed.

>I don’t think you have either?

I don't know how I could? The indices have already provided their reasoning for these rule changes, but that's just summarily rejected by the conspiracy-minded.

To laymen this appears to be a grand conspiracy. Rules are being changed to accommodate big companies, that's usually bad.

To people in the financial industry, it's fait accompli. The indices exist to reflect the market, these IPOs are going to be big enough that the 90s-era rules will/would result in untenable divergence.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

#535
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Since the S-1 filing, xAI has taken over and is likely the largest share of revenue. I would estimate that ~95%+ of xAI revenue, and 100% of its profit, is from renting their datacenters. This is a datacenter REIT bolted onto a social media company bolted onto launch business bolted onto a niche ISP. The expected price to sales is ~100x. The best datacenter REITs trade at ~10x and pay a dividend, which SpaceX does no…

> It's going to be very painful when the valuation normalizes.

Painful for everyone except the grifters who are engineering this and can get out early enough with their stolen millions and billions. Musk's companies are just a giant pyramid scheme.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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This makes no sense. Why doesn’t the “underlying value” of tulips change? “Underlying value” is a meaningless word btw

Things don't have any inherent value. It is priced at a level that a buyer thinks it is worth. A gallon of oil can be $3 or $6 depending on whether someone is willing to pay. It can also be $10 but only if people are willing to buy it at $10 if not "prices will come down to match the demand" - another way of saying it would be $9..$8...$7...$6 until it matches a buyer at which point gas is $6.

This is what I am trying to express. There is no "inherent price" or "inherent value" there is only the real value that it is bought at (in terms of money). There can be other values (non money) like if someone is willing to swap something for it etc.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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According to their IPO S-1 draft they are 93% an AI company and 4% a space company. Its the remaining 3% of the company that is profitable, the Starlink stuff.

As I recall isn't Starlink revenue at least 3x Space revenue, so not sure how they are characterizing that 3:1 ratio as 3% vs 4% ! The "93% AI company" is also a huge mischaracterization since this isn't AI business - it's datacenter/GPU leasing business which their 2 customers can pull the plug on with 90 days notice.

Does Starlink pay SpaceX for launches?

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

#538
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the problem: The Nasdaq 100 and FTSE Russell made a rule change that allows SpaceX to enter index without mormal time for price discovery. Most index funds have rebalance day just 5 days after IPO. S&P also made rule change for S&P Total Market Index and Dow Jones US Total Stock Market Index, but left SP500 intact. Nothing wrong with SpaceX or Anthropic getting into indexes with fair rules, this rule change is pure c…

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Dude, need to @ Elon on X with a link to these comments. Pretty sure he replies to fans as dedicated as you to his cause.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

#539

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According to their IPO S-1 draft they are 93% an AI company and 4% a space company. Its the remaining 3% of the company that is profitable, the Starlink stuff.

As I recall isn't Starlink revenue at least 3x Space revenue, so not sure how they are characterizing that 3:1 ratio as 3% vs 4% ! The "93% AI company" is also a huge mischaracterization since this isn't AI business - it's datacenter/GPU leasing business which their 2 customers can pull the plug on with 90 days notice.

given that SpaceX is choosing what price they're charging starlink, there's a reasonable argument that starlink isn't profitable either
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