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Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by tadfisher »

gigatexal wrote: post #3
bflesch wrote: post #2

Looks good, nice features. But somehow the spark does not ignite on my side because it feels too artificial. I don't know if the metrics are faked, if the convenience functions actually work, if there is any proper hardening. I can accept if stuff is vibe coded and has autogenerated README. But even the announcement blogpost is AI-generated, and I personally have zero data points to see if your understanding of softw…

Given the benchmarks: Small static file (174 B) - the bread and butter of static sites: server req/s p99 zeroserve 36,681 5.4 ms nginx 31,226 7.8 ms Caddy 12,830 22 ms zeroserve serves small files about 17% faster than nginx on a single core, with a tighter tail. HTML pages, small JSON, CSS - this is the case zeroserve is tuned for. Large static file (100 KB): server req/s throughput p99 zeroserve 8,000 782 MB/s 22 m…

The problem with pasting LLM output is that no human with sound mind and body would waste their finite time on this Earth informing you that small static files are "the bread and butter of static sites".

Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by high_priest »

jarym wrote: post #6

I love seeing stuff like this that would probably not exist if not for LLMs making exploring these kinds of ideas relatively cheap and quick to do. My takeaway from this though is that nginx is pretty impressive on its own. Also this stuck out: It's meant to be an alternative to nginx and Caddy, and the design bet is about configuration. Those servers give you a declarative config language - location blocks, rewrite…

What about abstracting the complexity and achieving "config file" configuration with macros?

Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by ai_fry_ur_brain »

jarym wrote: post #6

I love seeing stuff like this that would probably not exist if not for LLMs making exploring these kinds of ideas relatively cheap and quick to do. My takeaway from this though is that nginx is pretty impressive on its own. Also this stuck out: It's meant to be an alternative to nginx and Caddy, and the design bet is about configuration. Those servers give you a declarative config language - location blocks, rewrite…

Why are you so eager to credit LLMS.. Just because they wrote the article with the help of an LLM doesnt mean they're out here having LLMs do the experiments for them.

Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by dwedge »

mmarian wrote: post #10

Cool idea, but I don't think you should focus on static files. People rarely spin up a server for that these days.

I did last week (converted ghost to static) and was half wondering if some self contained binary wouldn't be faster so I feel like this was made for me, but I accept I'm not the typical user

Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by bflesch »

losfair wrote: post #4
bflesch wrote: post #2

Looks good, nice features. But somehow the spark does not ignite on my side because it feels too artificial. I don't know if the metrics are faked, if the convenience functions actually work, if there is any proper hardening. I can accept if stuff is vibe coded and has autogenerated README. But even the announcement blogpost is AI-generated, and I personally have zero data points to see if your understanding of softw…

Hi, author here - a few critical pieces of this, like async-ebpf, were written long before those coding agents were released. I use AI assistance a lot when creating zeroserve itself, but I manually check AI output and take responsibility for it :)

Happy to hear, I hope the tool can prove itself to a wider audience then.

Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by zuzululu »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #13
jarym wrote: post #6

I love seeing stuff like this that would probably not exist if not for LLMs making exploring these kinds of ideas relatively cheap and quick to do. My takeaway from this though is that nginx is pretty impressive on its own. Also this stuck out: It's meant to be an alternative to nginx and Caddy, and the design bet is about configuration. Those servers give you a declarative config language - location blocks, rewrite…

Why are you so eager to credit LLMS.. Just because they wrote the article with the help of an LLM doesnt mean they're out here having LLMs do the experiments for them.

because it makes it easy to create/reverse engineer projects/explore on a whim without putting up a lot of time

LLM enables a lot of good output if you know what you are doing

Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by Terretta »

rashkov wrote: post #16

Why a tarball?

Well, according to first paragraph of the section titled "One tarball, served in place":

The whole site is a single tar file. zeroserve indexes it on load - building a path -> byte-range map - and then serves files by issuing byte-range reads against the tarball itself. Nothing is ever unpacked to disk. The site lives entirely in that one file, so there's no document root for a stray location rule to expose, and a deploy is a single atomic file swap.

OTOH, that could be an LLM justification, since the copy is littered with -isms like "the right shape" or "the surface is broad".

Re: Zeroserve: A zero-config web server you can script with eBPF

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Post by antonvs »

ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #13
jarym wrote: post #6

I love seeing stuff like this that would probably not exist if not for LLMs making exploring these kinds of ideas relatively cheap and quick to do. My takeaway from this though is that nginx is pretty impressive on its own. Also this stuck out: It's meant to be an alternative to nginx and Caddy, and the design bet is about configuration. Those servers give you a declarative config language - location blocks, rewrite…

Why are you so eager to credit LLMS.. Just because they wrote the article with the help of an LLM doesnt mean they're out here having LLMs do the experiments for them.

Bayesian inference suggests otherwise.
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