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Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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This is a masterful piece of financial engineering by Google and SpaceX. Google purchased 10% of SpaceX over a decade ago. After dilution they probably own around 5%. SpaceX is valued at a whopping 94x revenue. This deal increases SpaceX's revenue by $11 billion per year. If SpaceX maintains this revenue multiplier, then this single deal boosts SpaceX's valuation by 94 x 11 billion = $1 trillion dollars. Google owns…

Utterly nauseating. Why would google help prop up this company and its figurehead? Maybe this is finally the straw that breaks the camel’s back for me and google.

> Why would google help prop up this company and its figurehead?

Simple, money.

When Billions of $ are in the picture, people really don't care about ethics.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

#422

This is a masterful piece of financial engineering by Google and SpaceX. Google purchased 10% of SpaceX over a decade ago. After dilution they probably own around 5%. SpaceX is valued at a whopping 94x revenue. This deal increases SpaceX's revenue by $11 billion per year. If SpaceX maintains this revenue multiplier, then this single deal boosts SpaceX's valuation by 94 x 11 billion = $1 trillion dollars. Google owns…

Utterly nauseating. Why would google help prop up this company and its figurehead? Maybe this is finally the straw that breaks the camel’s back for me and google.

They're not "propping up" anything. They're buying a service.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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The value of the stock is your share in the underlying business. Because underlying business changes over time (hopefully for the better) you are not simply hoping another shmuck pays you more, like with tulips, whose underlying value does not change with time. You own a portion of a concern that is improving its own fortunes. Furthermore, dividends are approved by the board once per quarter or once per year. A divid…

That’s the story, but it’s bullshit. The underlying intrinsic value of a stock can only be materialized if the company liquidates and you receive a share of the sell off of its assets. How many publicly traded companies abruptly decide they’re tired of the business, stop in their tracks, and liquidate their assets? This only really happens if the company is acquired or if it goes bankrupt. Acquisition is the closest…

It's not purely the liquidation value, it's the idea that the liquidation value will continue to increase, or profits will be paid out to owners.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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The value of the stock is your share in the underlying business. Because underlying business changes over time (hopefully for the better) you are not simply hoping another shmuck pays you more, like with tulips, whose underlying value does not change with time. You own a portion of a concern that is improving its own fortunes. Furthermore, dividends are approved by the board once per quarter or once per year. A divid…

This makes no sense. Why doesn’t the “underlying value” of tulips change? “Underlying value” is a meaningless word btw

The underlying value of a tulip is the same as it was in 2000 and 2026. The underlying value of Google is much different in that same time frame.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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With the Nasdaq rule changes, almost certainly.

Those rule changes aren't happening.

My understanding is that the s&p 500 were the only ones unwilling to change their rules.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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I sincerely hope the market is not willing to value this sort of deal at a P/E ratio anywhere near 94. Off the top of my head, there is a very well established business involving buying expensive things and leasing them to the companies that intend to operate them so they can sell services: aircraft leasing. AER is the biggest player and they have a P/E ratio of, drumroll please, 6. And I expect that GPUs, despite cu…

Comparing SpaceX to an aircraft leasing company seems more foolish to me than a 94x multiple. I understand the gist here, but come on. This is a generational company. It’s the only relevant space launch business, and has its tentacles deep in AI infrastructure as well. Maybe the AI bet is foolish — I don’t know — you should short it!

'generational company'? Are you on drugs or so?

All of Musks business stuff highly depends on first mover advantage.

If people now selling it as a 'generational company' than it becomes even more stupid.

He didn't invent an unkown solution he is hiding to transform something into gold, he only put a lot of money into rockets.

And the rockets right now don't even have enough payload to have unlimited potential. If Space-X knows how to build a rocket very efficient, 10 years later other companies can do that too.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

#427

This is a masterful piece of financial engineering by Google and SpaceX. Google purchased 10% of SpaceX over a decade ago. After dilution they probably own around 5%. SpaceX is valued at a whopping 94x revenue. This deal increases SpaceX's revenue by $11 billion per year. If SpaceX maintains this revenue multiplier, then this single deal boosts SpaceX's valuation by 94 x 11 billion = $1 trillion dollars. Google owns…

Now with this incredible deal, SpaceX is now GAAP profitable under the existing rules, and they get to join the index next year without a rule change. Didn't they also run up against a "minimum free float" rule?

The company has been around since 2002, I'm sure plenty of insiders will cash out in the next calendar year to satisfy the minimum free float rule by the time they're eligible.

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> Google renting infra from xAI, I did not see that coming. Actually that seems to be fairly logical? Hardware is what xAI has , and it's in great demand. So sell what makes you money. The real story here is that that xAI hardware is going to be running Gemini and not Grok. Which is to say: Grok basically failed as a frontier AI and they need to pivot to a business model which makes money. Obviously not everything Mu…

Could you please describe the other satellite launch services whose prices are competitive with SpaceX?

The whole of the space part of SpaceX is like 10% of the claimed business according to their S-1. And most of that is Starlink, not launches for third parties.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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> Truly a brilliant deal for everyone involved. Except for people who have pensions/investments in whole market class investments who become exposed to an over valued company with a propped up value.

If whole market means whole market, then such investments are exposed to companies who are fairly valued, companies who are massively overvalued, and companies who are massively undervalued, and the whole range in between. If you want to start picking and choosing which companies are overvalued and which are undervalued, don’t invest in whole market funds. But most people are not good at that!

Are there really 10-100x undervalued companies listed on indexes that haven’t been noticed?

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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There are asteroids with concentrations of precious metals more valuable than earth's entire economy. Why don't we just send up spaceships to mine them and send the haul back to earth? What country would say no to free money? After all, it's just an engineering challenge, not impossible.

The numbers on that are at least somewhat questionable. Even ignoring that you'd crash the market (thus it's not actually worth what it first appears to be) what is the total fuel cost to adjust the orbit of the target asteroid to land the entire thing back on the earth? Because that's what you're doing bit by bit as you shuttle loads of ore back. Now if you have space based manufacturing or fuel production on the ot…

That's the point. Basic rule of thumb: anytime someone is arguing that the military will fund something, they're wrong.

Its not a real argument it's just used because to most people the military is a big mysterious thing they don't understand which they think has an infinite budget for things.

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