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The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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No, you just need to stand up your own website and feed the scraper a URL to it.

I would just generate scads of Markov chain output and make it look like a plausible web page.

That's pretty much what the bots are scraping now, with all the AI slop websites out there.

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One of the problems I can see here is the problem that running a Tor exit node has: badly behaved users are going to be using it to hide their location. Imaging having the police show up at your door because they've figured out that you're trafficking child porn, when the actual culprit is someone that is using your TV as a proxy to trade child porn.

Groups like Bright Data have pretty good KYC. After the scare of the police visit, the actual perpetrator would go to prison.

> Groups like Bright Data have pretty good KYC.

They don't. I use their residential proxies without ever having KYC'd.

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I fear the same but made sure I block basically everything at the network level. First thing I do is hook the tv to the network and black hole its mac.

Or open up the TV and disable its wifi hardware.

That is the only solution, otherwise there is no guarantee that someone just won't connect the TV to their phone's hotspot.

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You must check a checkbox in agreement to continue. To read the policies one agrees to, an internet connection is required. You may check the checkbox without reading. As far as I have found from a lot of menu spelunking, this agreement is irrevocable. If I ever go online, it will be used.

That's the kind of thing that doesn't always hold up in court.

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You must check a checkbox in agreement to continue. To read the policies one agrees to, an internet connection is required. You may check the checkbox without reading. As far as I have found from a lot of menu spelunking, this agreement is irrevocable. If I ever go online, it will be used.

That's the kind of thing that doesn't always hold up in court.

The reality is, no one is going to take the companies to court over things like this.

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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On my TCL TV, you have to connect it to read the Google policies you are agreeing to. If you don't, you agree to policies unread. Thankfully, the blast radius of this is nothing without connectivity.

If I don't connect to the internet ever, my agreement to Google policies is probably a moot point.

If you don't connect, sure. If a visitor connects the TV, all bets are off.

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I have a smart TV that's never spoken to the internet after exiting the factory, but it's a pretty tenuous state of affairs. I have this fear that someone staying over is going to see the "Services unavailable, press [menu] to troubleshoot" toast that shows up overtop the HDMI feed for a few seconds and think they're helping me by connecting it. 4-5 years worth of firmware updates all at once... half a decade of watc…

Find the TV’s MAC address and block it on your router. My brother home network had this system where your MAC address had to be whitelisted on the router to communicate with the network, as the days go by I see how in hindsight how this might be for the best in the end.

Allow list is the best approach. Soon TVs will randomize their MAC just like our phones do.

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I never connect any “smart” device to wifi. If it doesn’t work without connectivity, I don’t want it. I use my TVs as display devices. They have HDMI-in and that’s it.

Frustratingly I do want some of the functionality that comes with connecting my TV to the network - specifically the ability to control things like turning it on and choosing which input its set to via an API it exposes. That's manageable by putting it on a VLAN which isn't allowed access to the outside world, but its also really annoying to me that I have to do that.

You don't need an api for that. You can do that with a 30 year old CRT if you wanted. Copy IR signals from remote. Put IR blaster in front of IR receiver. Make whatever tool you want to control the IR blaster. Done.

Re: The Smart TV in Your LivingRoom Is a Node in the AIScraping Economy

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I never connect any “smart” device to wifi. If it doesn’t work without connectivity, I don’t want it. I use my TVs as display devices. They have HDMI-in and that’s it.

On my TCL TV, you have to connect it to read the Google policies you are agreeing to. If you don't, you agree to policies unread. Thankfully, the blast radius of this is nothing without connectivity.

Sounds like a great reason to return a TV. It isn't like you must have a TCL TV.
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