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Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by jeroenhd »

thewebguyd wrote: post #154
bradfa wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Qualcomm is a “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, you don’t fool me twice” kind of situation. So many horrible experiences in the past that people are going to be hesitant. Qualcomm are trying harder now it seems. But it will take time to repair their reputation in the PC market.

They burned me with the first gen Snapdragon X Elite. Before the various laptops with it were out they promised Linux support. Here we are, years alter, still no fully OOTB support. Ironically, the GPU firmware were just mainlined in the kernel 4 months ago, but they still haven't done the same for the 1st gen X elite. Tuxedo computers tried and didn't succeed either. I will never buy Qualcomm again. I avoid them on…

> I avoid them on phones as well by just buying Apple

To each their own, but I don't recall Apple ever mainlining any of their drivers on Linux. You're rightfully angry on the laptop side of things, but Apple is much worse than Qualcomm when it comes to open source support for their phones.

Qualcomm probably shouldn't have promised Linux support in the first place. Everyone seems to love Apple's hardware even though you're practically stuck with macOS. Had Qualcomm just stuck to Windows-only, they would've probably received a much better reception by the tech press.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by GeekyBear »

infecto wrote: post #15

"I am not sure how many people will run AI models locally. It still seems like a niche application to me. However, it will make decent machines to play video games." I don't know who will be the winner but with some of the recent releases from gemma it seems more probable that you may run some models locally if only from a cost perspective, not even considering business security. Not sure how this type of architectur…

> However, it will make decent machines to play video games."

Where you will need games to be rewritten for ARM to get full performance, just like on Apple's M series chips.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by diabllicseagull »

darkwater wrote: post #141
modeless wrote: post #119

The Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme trounces Nvidia's chip in single core CPU performance. It beats Intel and AMD's best, too. It has unified memory. It's the only CPU in the same league as Apple's M-series in both CPU performance and power efficiency. And it's available in laptops today, not later this year. People are sleeping on Qualcomm.

Is it well supported under Linux?

I've been keeping an eye on the state of Linux on the first gen of X Elite and it's sad that the potential is not fully materialized outside WoA. Take a look at what peeps are going through:

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-concept-snapdragon-x-e...

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by dismalaf »

jeroenhd wrote: post #171
thewebguyd wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They burned me with the first gen Snapdragon X Elite. Before the various laptops with it were out they promised Linux support. Here we are, years alter, still no fully OOTB support. Ironically, the GPU firmware were just mainlined in the kernel 4 months ago, but they still haven't done the same for the 1st gen X elite. Tuxedo computers tried and didn't succeed either. I will never buy Qualcomm again. I avoid them on…

> I avoid them on phones as well by just buying Apple To each their own, but I don't recall Apple ever mainlining any of their drivers on Linux. You're rightfully angry on the laptop side of things, but Apple is much worse than Qualcomm when it comes to open source support for their phones. Qualcomm probably shouldn't have promised Linux support in the first place. Everyone seems to love Apple's hardware even though…

At least Apple tells you they don't support anything except their own OS, Qualcomm just pretends to offer support.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by dgacmu »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #30
infecto wrote: post #15

"I am not sure how many people will run AI models locally. It still seems like a niche application to me. However, it will make decent machines to play video games." I don't know who will be the winner but with some of the recent releases from gemma it seems more probable that you may run some models locally if only from a cost perspective, not even considering business security. Not sure how this type of architectur…

> "Ranked in the top 2% of scientists globally (Stanford/Elsevier 2025) and among GitHub's top 1000 developers" - side note but this guy puts this everywhere, gives me probably the inverse of what he is marketing for. Lol yeah seriously, that stinks "I ask AI to generate a huge amount of bullshit and upload it to pad irrelevant stats". Absolute loser.

He's not a loser; he's done some really fun work that many people use daily. I've used his range mapping trick in multiple projects/papers. It's elegant.

It sounds like he's gotten bad advise about how to market himself /or/ this is being marketed to people who have bigger checks to write and whom he believes will be responsive to this kind of marketing. As an academic, it rubs me very wrong - I think it's detrimental to the field when we get into h-index stacking contests or citation count comparisons. But I don't know what incentives he's responding to, which seems important for putting this stuff in context.

(as an aside, it turns out that polars + fastexcel is about 10x faster than pandas + openpyxl for searching that dataset, if anyone else is curious what he was actually talking about. :)

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by kristov »

throw0101a wrote: post #83
root-parent wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I am not sure how many people will run AI models locally. It still seems like a niche application to me. However, it will make decent machines to play video games..." This is the 2026 edition of Ken Olsen: "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home"

> This is the 2026 edition of Ken Olsen: "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home" Digging into this: > In conclusion, there is evidence that Ken Olsen did doubt the need for computers in the home, but the evidence is based primarily on the testimony of David Ahl who was perturbed when the personal computer project he championed at DEC was not supported by Olsen in 1974. > Olsen’s resistance may…

We kinda ended up with terminals connected to mainframes anyway. The terminal being the web browser, and the mainframe being SaS. So it wasn't that far off.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by thewebguyd »

npn wrote: post #91

Is this somehow satire? This is just the dgx spark with keyboard and monitor in a convenient format. Since it has more stuff, I'm sure that the price mark up will increase too. Up to $5000 because why not? With that money you can build a real PC with rtx 5090!

Not with 128GB (less OS) available to the GPU you can't. The unified memory is the point with this machine (and the dgx spark).

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by thewebguyd »

BoredPositron wrote: post #25

Mediatek and Nvidia the horsemen of abandoning hardware after a year. The Jetson family still left a bad taste in my mouth.

Qualcomm is too. They mainlined the GPU firmware for the X Elite 2nd gen, but still have not done so for their 1st gen X Elite which they promised full Linux support for and failed to deliver, and have now moved on pretending they never said that.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by storus »

dagmx wrote: post #76

This feels fluff to me on the part of the author (whose work I don’t want to trivialize) but I don’t think they’ve actually looked deeper than a paper spec sheet on this. 1. Yes it has the same number of cores as a 5070 mobile. It’s also running at a shared peak of 2/3 the bandwidth and a shared peak of 2/3 the TDP. The GPU by itself will likely perform at half the dedicated units performance 2. Apple may not have SV…

> GPU compute (not rasterization) it’s between an M4 Pro and M4 Max without considering bandwidth

You are likely thinking about token generation which is dependent on memory bandwidth where Apple has an edge. Spark's GPU compute is way higher than even M5 Max (17 FP32 TFlops), around 2x FP32 TFlops... It's literally 6144 CUDA cores like desktop 5070, slowed down by slow memory and lower TDP (29.7 vs 31 FP32 TFlops on 5070).

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Post by mlinhares »

jeroenhd wrote: post #171
thewebguyd wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They burned me with the first gen Snapdragon X Elite. Before the various laptops with it were out they promised Linux support. Here we are, years alter, still no fully OOTB support. Ironically, the GPU firmware were just mainlined in the kernel 4 months ago, but they still haven't done the same for the 1st gen X elite. Tuxedo computers tried and didn't succeed either. I will never buy Qualcomm again. I avoid them on…

> I avoid them on phones as well by just buying Apple To each their own, but I don't recall Apple ever mainlining any of their drivers on Linux. You're rightfully angry on the laptop side of things, but Apple is much worse than Qualcomm when it comes to open source support for their phones. Qualcomm probably shouldn't have promised Linux support in the first place. Everyone seems to love Apple's hardware even though…

Apple doesn’t sell general purpose computers outside of their own hardware so this doesn’t make any sense.
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