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Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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And who in 2026 is still anal-fixated on a "Windows" PC? It's just a personal computer. It normally runs multiple operating systems just fine. Windows PC sounds like people talking about tech who are either payed by M$, or embed pictures into Word documents to send them. Nobody has to kill the fun those OS agnostic machine allow, by artificially bind them to a shitty OS.

> It's just a personal computer

Your x86 machines were, but these are ARM SOCs. Many of them don't even support UEFI, let alone the upstream Linux kernel.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

#102

And who in 2026 is still anal-fixated on a "Windows" PC? It's just a personal computer. It normally runs multiple operating systems just fine. Windows PC sounds like people talking about tech who are either payed by M$, or embed pictures into Word documents to send them. Nobody has to kill the fun those OS agnostic machine allow, by artificially bind them to a shitty OS.

Enterprise, of course. They probably buy more PCs than the rest of the market combined.

Even for personal use, I'd imagine the amount of people dual booting Windows and something else are a very tiny minority.

Saying "Windows PC" is a pretty reasonable way to distinguish between "made by Apple" and "made by someone else" because the market of PCs that aren't made by Apple and don't come with Windows is really, really tiny.

To be honest, this seems like a strange hill to take such an aggressive stance upon.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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I want to reduce my dependency on companies like Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic. Aside from the concerns of data sharing I'm also not a fan of how they run their operations, for example Anthropic now using xAI's Colossus data center which is poisoning a marginalized community, or OpenAI getting in bed with the military. Not everything I want to use an LLM for requires "PhD level intelligence", and increasingly I'm fin…

My local AI is currently upscaling an old british comedy from sub-dvd quality to 1k. (It is not availible other than on DVD.) It looks like it will take about a week for my pair of 5060s to chew through the task.

Which show?

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

#104

And who in 2026 is still anal-fixated on a "Windows" PC? It's just a personal computer. It normally runs multiple operating systems just fine. Windows PC sounds like people talking about tech who are either payed by M$, or embed pictures into Word documents to send them. Nobody has to kill the fun those OS agnostic machine allow, by artificially bind them to a shitty OS.

> It's just a personal computer Your x86 machines were, but these are ARM SOCs. Many of them don't even support UEFI, let alone the upstream Linux kernel.

Getting rid of UEFI is bad?

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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> you may run some models locally if only from a cost perspective I have a hard time believing running a model on a laptop will be cheaper than running it in a datacenter. Why wouldn't economies of scale apply here as with every other computation?

This is assuming that you'll be priced the fraction of computing that you consumed. But you are actually paying for their infrastructure, for the R&D (and also the computation that went into training the model) etc. It is not clear that, for your own small computations, this kind of costs are needed, but you will still pay your share in the investment the provider made so that they could serve everyone's computation…

But, currently ... you're not. AI companies are operating at a loss, and are being subsidized by their investors.

Local may or may not be cheaper than remote now, depending on the details, but the factors you describe won't affect the math nearly as much as they will once that subsidization ends.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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> Daniel Lemire’s blog is one of the top 50 most popular blogs on Hacker News, the standard tech news aggregation site. Citation needed

https://refactoringenglish.com/tools/hn-popularity/

For posterity: It's rank 34 at the time of this comment

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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> This is the 2026 edition of Ken Olsen: "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home" Digging into this: > In conclusion, there is evidence that Ken Olsen did doubt the need for computers in the home, but the evidence is based primarily on the testimony of David Ahl who was perturbed when the personal computer project he championed at DEC was not supported by Olsen in 1974. > Olsen’s resistance may…

It doesn't really need this much explanation. People take these quotes out of context all the time. Said in a business context, there was no need, at that time, for someone to have a personal computer. There's no business justification in 1977 for a personal computer department at a business. It's similar to the gates quote about RAM (I think it was 64KB?). These statements aren't meant to be forever quotes. Their bu…

Or maybe he simply made a mistake. Big deal. This doesn't speak negatively of his other achievements.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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I want to reduce my dependency on companies like Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic. Aside from the concerns of data sharing I'm also not a fan of how they run their operations, for example Anthropic now using xAI's Colossus data center which is poisoning a marginalized community, or OpenAI getting in bed with the military. Not everything I want to use an LLM for requires "PhD level intelligence", and increasingly I'm fin…

Which model are you running?

Qwen 3.6 35B-A3B and 27B both at Q8 on a Strix Halo machine

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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This is the RTX Spark [1]. The obvious comparison here is the M5 Max where you can buy a Macbook Pro with 128GB of also unified memory. Obviously CUDA cores are specific to NVidia so it's hard to directly compare but I've seen claims that the M5 Max is roughly equivalent to ~4000 CUDA cores. This obviously depends on workload and whether the CPU supports the precision you want to use (eg FP4). The M5 Max has memory b…

> I've seen claims that the M5 Max is roughly equivalent to ~4000 CUDA cores

Who claimed that? The M5 is still a raster focused GPU, dedicated matmul blocks be damned. For some workloads that napkin math might work out, but for many others it's a wild overshoot. Time-to-first-token still favors CUDA, and real-world training workloads aren't getting anywhere near Apple Silicon.

All of the memory bandwidth in the world is useless if you spend 15 minutes processing 64k tokens worth of context prefill. This is where CUDA shines.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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post #104

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> It's just a personal computer Your x86 machines were, but these are ARM SOCs. Many of them don't even support UEFI, let alone the upstream Linux kernel.

Getting rid of UEFI is bad?

Can you quote where I said that?
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