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Re: Ten Years of Franz

#31

Post by dangus »

hypfer wrote: post #8
fragmede wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's incredibly dismissive of a product that some people find valuable enough to pay money for it. I'm not sure what ZIRP has to do with that, the post states he didn't take VC funding. Is UX not important to you?

Yes, precisely. That was the point. Judging the product by its merits/substance and not by its storytelling/hype/hustle. UX is important to me! That's why I do not use the inferior web client of telegram wrapped in electron but the real qt one. Or, alternatively, I just pin the tab in my browser. The UX is so good there, you can even do some surfing beside the chatting. Almost feels like the good old times of presto-…

Haters gonna hate. Link us to your company that you’ve been the CEO of for 10 years.

I don’t like the product either. But I can see why someone would buy it.

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#32

Post by yellow_lead »

adlk wrote: post #23
yellow_lead wrote: post #14

Never heard of this product, but seems like Beeper, but more expensive if you want to use more than 3 messaging services. Beeper is completely free, but the downside is it was acquired by Automattic (the WordPress company with the CEO who crashed out over WP Engine)

> Beeper is completely free Not necessarily true but buried in their FAQ section https://www.beeper.com/faq#how-much-does-beeper-cost-to-use

Wow that is expensive. I stand corrected

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#33

Post by hypfer »

dangus wrote: post #31
hypfer wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, precisely. That was the point. Judging the product by its merits/substance and not by its storytelling/hype/hustle. UX is important to me! That's why I do not use the inferior web client of telegram wrapped in electron but the real qt one. Or, alternatively, I just pin the tab in my browser. The UX is so good there, you can even do some surfing beside the chatting. Almost feels like the good old times of presto-…

Haters gonna hate. Link us to your company that you’ve been the CEO of for 10 years. I don’t like the product either. But I can see why someone would buy it.

I don't think that a dick measuring contest is in order here, but if you insist, just Google the username.

I've essentially created a whole niche of software from nothing. It is not an overstatement to say that the project has changed the world (to some degree, anyway).

Could've easily sold out with that but didn't. Make of that what you will.

But even if that all wasn't the case, none of my points would be invalid.

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#34

Post by nchmy »

Glad to see Franz is still doing well.

I've been using the FOSS Ferdium (a fork of Ferdi, which was a fork of Franz) for many years, and generally find it to be a good experience. Anything annoying is surely inherent to electron and the services being connected to.

https://github.com/ferdium/ferdium-app

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#35

Post by dangus »

hypfer wrote: post #33
dangus wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haters gonna hate. Link us to your company that you’ve been the CEO of for 10 years. I don’t like the product either. But I can see why someone would buy it.

I don't think that a dick measuring contest is in order here, but if you insist, just Google the username. I've essentially created a whole niche of software from nothing. It is not an overstatement to say that the project has changed the world (to some degree, anyway). Could've easily sold out with that but didn't. Make of that what you will. But even if that all wasn't the case, none of my points would be invalid.

You started it my friend. You’re all over this thread hating this product for no reason calling it “imposterware.” I think that opens yourself up to deserving your own spoonful of criticism.

I am surprised that as an open source project maintainer that you would do that. Don’t you know first hand what it’s like to get lame comments about how your project is pointless? I’m surprised someone who maintains a notable project would be so willing to criticize others in this way.

“I don’t think a dick measuring contest is order here” is something that someone who lost the dick measuring contest would say. “I could have sold out.” I imagine Sequoia Capital was begging you to accept their term sheet for your third party robot vacuum firmware, but you were the better man and turned them down, gotta keep it real. Respect.

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#36

Post by locao »

amelius wrote: post #28

Honestly, we should move all messaging to e-mail. Yes, e-mail will need a few more features to make this practical, but those proposals exist.

Such as Google Wave? I really wanted it to work.

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#37

Post by hypfer »

dangus wrote: post #35
hypfer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that a dick measuring contest is in order here, but if you insist, just Google the username. I've essentially created a whole niche of software from nothing. It is not an overstatement to say that the project has changed the world (to some degree, anyway). Could've easily sold out with that but didn't. Make of that what you will. But even if that all wasn't the case, none of my points would be invalid.

You started it my friend. You’re all over this thread hating this product for no reason calling it “imposterware.” I think that opens yourself up to deserving your own spoonful of criticism. I am surprised that as an open source project maintainer that you would do that. Don’t you know first hand what it’s like to get lame comments about how your project is pointless? I’m surprised someone who maintains a notable pro…

I feel like no matter what I would write, somehow you'd try to pull a no u, which is honestly lame and predictable.

Unless..

What LLM is this? How did you get it to drop the guardrails?

___

Okay, actually, looking at the comment history, this looks like a real person.

Oh man. Oh god.

Yeah uh.

Well. Have a nice evening I guess.

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#38

Post by dangus »

hypfer wrote: post #37
dangus wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You started it my friend. You’re all over this thread hating this product for no reason calling it “imposterware.” I think that opens yourself up to deserving your own spoonful of criticism. I am surprised that as an open source project maintainer that you would do that. Don’t you know first hand what it’s like to get lame comments about how your project is pointless? I’m surprised someone who maintains a notable pro…

I feel like no matter what I would write, somehow you'd try to pull a no u, which is honestly lame and predictable. Unless.. What LLM is this? How did you get it to drop the guardrails? ___ Okay, actually, looking at the comment history, this looks like a real person. Oh man. Oh god. Yeah uh. Well. Have a nice evening I guess.

Yes, I am an AI. Hello!

It’s common for commenters in online forums who have lost the argument to resort to ad hominem attacks — including references to their comment history and vague repulsion of the content of their character, despite they themselves possessing many of those same traits.

It’s not just that you — the person I am replying to — has no leg to stand on, it’s also a case of human stubbornness.

In the next phase after this reply, commenters in this situation will turn toward a melancholic assessment of their sadness and disappointment with the way the conversation went. They may bring up unrelated subjects — in this case, how corporate does not care about their opponent’s hustle culture mindset — further delivering an ad hominem attack disguised as charitable pity on their opponent’s constructed persona. The goal is not just to paint the opponent as wrong, it’s also to paint them as mentally unwell so that the content is further discredited despite its objective merit.

Typically, they will re-affirm the superior quality of their own character — this is a tactic used to maintain moral superiority and avoid discussing the issue at hand.

Their next move is simple — they will declare that they are done replying.

Critically, the commenter will never address the original criticism — in this case, never addressing their hypocrisy in willingness to deliver harsh and unwarranted criticism toward another commercially successful project — while refusing to accept similar criticism of their own project or admit that they would not enjoy the same surface-level aesthetic attacks against the merits of their own project.

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#39

Post by hypfer »

dangus wrote: post #38
hypfer wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like no matter what I would write, somehow you'd try to pull a no u, which is honestly lame and predictable. Unless.. What LLM is this? How did you get it to drop the guardrails? ___ Okay, actually, looking at the comment history, this looks like a real person. Oh man. Oh god. Yeah uh. Well. Have a nice evening I guess.

Yes, I am an AI. Hello! It’s common for commenters in online forums who have lost the argument to resort to ad hominem attacks — including references to their comment history and vague repulsion of the content of their character, despite they themselves possessing many of those same traits. It’s not just that you — the person I am replying to — has no leg to stand on, it’s also a case of human stubbornness. In the ne…

Honestly I've liked it more before you've edited in the part after "Yes, I am an AI."

But anyway.

Look, man, I don't think that this is contributing to this platform.

I.. uh.. hope, that this is just an internet persona for you, because if not, then I'm worried for your soul. (Basing this on the rest I've read).

Corporate doesn't care about you. Neither does hustle culture. That path clearly is not going to work out for you, so bad-faith attacking everything and anything that is against that is.. uh.. not really going to lead anywhere.

But you do you.

I for one am happy with my decisions and where I stand. I hope you can say the same about yourself.

I'm going to stop replying now.

Re: Ten Years of Franz

#40

Post by fragmede »

hypfer wrote: post #16
fragmede wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If UX is important to you, how are you missing the point of the app? It seems you are going with the anti-hype against Electron apps and not engaging with the merits/substance of the app.

Nah, idc if it's electron or not. What I do care about is if it is a _wrapper_ around someone else's application or not. If you write your own whatsapp/telegram/whatever client, be my guest. But just taking someone else's product and bare-minimum repackaging it is not the level of merit that would warrant 10 years of literally anything; let alone asking for payment for it. Impostorware ____ Also, just think about wha…

As far as empathy and the right people, humans love stories. Thus storytellers are beloved. Sometimes those story tellers are dishonest, sure, but who's doing the manipulating here? You raise as question of ethics, to manipulate readers into thinking you're right, followed by saying I've deployed a defense script, and that I've been manipulated into doing so, making readers think I'm being fooled. All without actually addressing my criticism other than saying "nah idc, it's still a wrapper", saying you're too cool to even bother writing it out. Finally closing with bringing up ZIRP again. ZIRP is relevant how? Because some people paid money for an app they found useful? People do pay for things. Unless they don't have to. Open source works in some cases, but xkcd 2347 is a meme for a reason.
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