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Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Is it really unified memory? AMD Strix Halo is "unified" but you still have to allocate memory separately for cpu vs gpu. Apple Silicon is true unified memory.

>AMD Strix Halo is "unified" but you still have to allocate memory separately for cpu vs gpu.

IIRC that's due to maintain BIOS and Windows (+games & apps) backwards compatibility, but memory access speeds are the same.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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128GB of unified memory is a dream come true for local LLMs. VRAM has been the ultimate bottleneck for developers.

The competitor for this NVIDIA CPU will not be the now old AMD Strix Halo, but its successor (launched recently), which supports up to 192 GB of unified memory. Thus 128 GB is no longer SOTA.

While this NVIDIA system is inferior from the point of view of the memory capacity, its main advantage is that the top models will have a bigger GPU, i.e. with 6144 or 5120 FP32 execution units, compared to 2560 for the AMD GPU (compared to the NVIDIA CPU, the AMD CPU has a better multi-threaded performance for legacy programs, and a much better multi-threaded performance for the applications that use AVX-512).

However, these top models with big GPUs will also be much more expensive than the competing AMD system, while also being much more expensive than a laptop or mini-PC with an equivalent discrete NVIDIA GPU (which has the disadvantage of having direct access only to a much smaller, even if faster, memory).

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Is it really unified memory? AMD Strix Halo is "unified" but you still have to allocate memory separately for cpu vs gpu. Apple Silicon is true unified memory.

It is unified in the sense that the OS can dynamically assign memory to CPU and GPU. Apple silicon is not a alien tech that other silicon vendors cannot implement.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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128GB of unified memory is a dream come true for local LLMs. VRAM has been the ultimate bottleneck for developers.

I have a 128 GB LPDDR5X machine. It's a great workstation laptop (which is why I got it) but the memory bandwidth is just awful if you're wanting to use it for AI. An old Epyc CPU will fair better both in terms of being able to run full sized larger models as well as having higher memory bandwidth, and that's not a recommendation to go that route either as it's still not worth it.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Does this person know that this is the same GB chip in the DGX Spark? It isn't some proposed thing, it's a chip loads of people have on their desk right now, and there are endless benchmarks of it. Decent single core (a long ways from Apple level, but decent), but it makes up for it in cores to provide M5 level performance, CPU wise. Memory bandwidth it is kind of starved, at 1/6th many GPUs. They got Microsoft to cu…

I heard the memory bandwidth is not just slower than on a GPU, as expected, but is significantly slower than Apple’s unified memory.

CPU/GPU is decent (800 GB or so), memory is slowish (300GB or so). Some Apple M are slower, some are faster.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Is it really unified memory? AMD Strix Halo is "unified" but you still have to allocate memory separately for cpu vs gpu. Apple Silicon is true unified memory.

Strix halo is unified memory. The memory allocation set in BIOS is overridden by the operating system if it has the capability.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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> I am not sure how many people will run AI models locally. It still seems like a niche application to me. Bill Gates had a quote some years ago... People have still not learned how fast we improve our tech and how much cheaper thing gets I guess :)

We had a thing called globalism that drastically reduced costs. Globalism right now is on life support. Given geopolitics, I don’t see how it’s going to survive.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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Is it really unified memory? AMD Strix Halo is "unified" but you still have to allocate memory separately for cpu vs gpu. Apple Silicon is true unified memory.

That's a software question, not a hardware question.

Some software assumes pre-defined set-aside pools of memory reserved for video purposes, but the chip does actually have access to the whole pool.

Re: Nvidia is proposing a beast of a CPU system for Windows PCs

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"I am not sure how many people will run AI models locally. It still seems like a niche application to me. However, it will make decent machines to play video games." I don't know who will be the winner but with some of the recent releases from gemma it seems more probable that you may run some models locally if only from a cost perspective, not even considering business security. Not sure how this type of architectur…

> "Ranked in the top 2% of scientists globally (Stanford/Elsevier 2025) and among GitHub's top 1000 developers" - side note but this guy puts this everywhere, gives me probably the inverse of what he is marketing for.

Lol yeah seriously, that stinks "I ask AI to generate a huge amount of bullshit and upload it to pad irrelevant stats".

Absolute loser.

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