Glad to see "Together we serve the users" come back. I miss the old Zig readme that said Zig comes with an MIT license and a humble request to build software that serves the users.
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Zig Zen Update
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Re: Zig Zen Update
#22Nicely done! I always felt that Python's "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." was a bit of a mess. Obviously (to anyone who was around at the time), that plank was written in response to Perl's motto: "There is more than one way to do it." Zig's original take on this, "Only one obvious way to do things" seems even worse. You see, both languages agree that Perl had it wrong: it is un…
This is a losing proposition.
Because just like in Python, it may also generate endless debates on "ok, but what exactly is the idiomatic way for this particular thing here"? Is it A, or B, or maybe C? Since many are always possible, each optimizing for slightly different things, like simplicity, or maintainability, or performance, or readability, or coverage, etc. Groups may form furiously asserting that the idiomatic way must be C, others defending B, or A, and for what. Why does it matter? A young language free from cruft, after a long history of various decisions that led it on certain paths, can boldly claim such nonsense, but makes one wonder how it may look in 30 or 40 years, when other languages/ecosystems will point at its mistakes.
Arguably Perl had it right all along, it's just a simple fact of life, expressed in such a generic manner that there is no need to fight it, since it's obviously true. Python's retort at the time was just clever marketing (aka lies), that worked (fooled a lot of people), it targeted Perl specifically just because that was the main competition back then.
Re: Zig Zen Update
#23I don't see how Zig will ever contend with Odin, Jai, C3 and others when they drive away half of the prospective users with activism.
Excuse me, but I think zig grows ever better from driving away users who are driven away by flashy headlines and whatever is the opposite of this “activism” you suggest.
Re: Zig Zen Update
#24Nicely done! I always felt that Python's "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." was a bit of a mess. Obviously (to anyone who was around at the time), that plank was written in response to Perl's motto: "There is more than one way to do it." Zig's original take on this, "Only one obvious way to do things" seems even worse. You see, both languages agree that Perl had it wrong: it is un…
The correct alternative is to make no motto at all. It's code. Makes computer go brrr.
Re: Zig Zen Update
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
I saw what changed syntactically. I meant I don't really understand what changed semantically. And whether there is any context to why the change was necessary.
The commit message feels clear to me? It seems Andrew wanted to clean the zig zen slightly, it’s not a big change: > - rewordings > - "memory is a resource" goes without saying > - emphasize the final point
I'm guessing the parent is wondering why this is noteworthy enough to be posted and discussed in this thread, and so if there's context they are missing
Re: Zig Zen Update
#26I don't see how Zig will ever contend with Odin, Jai, C3 and others when they drive away half of the prospective users with activism.
Jai isn't even available publicly. The license isn't decided. Jonathan Blow doesn't want to deal with open source.
Comparing Jai and Zig on that behalf is crazy.
Edit: If that is about political activism it's even more crazy. A dude that rambles about woke stuff is political as well. Maybe just aligns with yours.
Re: Zig Zen Update
#27Nicely done! I always felt that Python's "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." was a bit of a mess. Obviously (to anyone who was around at the time), that plank was written in response to Perl's motto: "There is more than one way to do it." Zig's original take on this, "Only one obvious way to do things" seems even worse. You see, both languages agree that Perl had it wrong: it is un…
The correct alternative is to make no motto at all. It's code. Makes computer go brrr.
Yeah, I actually don't care how other people program in the languages I'm using. Give me all the ways to do things. I'll make my own choices, thank you.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
The correct alternative is to make no motto at all. It's code. Makes computer go brrr.
Yeah, I actually don't care how other people program in the languages I'm using. Give me all the ways to do things. I'll make my own choices, thank you.
Someone cooked up a language just like this ages ago, and today it's one of the most popular languages on the planet! Unfortunately, in modern times people don't like to write/code in this language, so they built some beast on top of it which is the de facto standard right now. But you can still write JavaScript, and you can avoid all the shit parts like "classes" and what not, do classic prototype-style programming, or even layer your own functional/OOP programming on top. Not much you cannot do in JavaScript, probably only a lisp would enable more programming paradigms, but for mainstream languages, it's as close as you can get to True Freedom.
Re: Zig Zen Update
#29OT: any word on how Codeberg has been working out for Zig?
Re: Zig Zen Update
#30Nicely done! I always felt that Python's "There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to do it." was a bit of a mess. Obviously (to anyone who was around at the time), that plank was written in response to Perl's motto: "There is more than one way to do it." Zig's original take on this, "Only one obvious way to do things" seems even worse. You see, both languages agree that Perl had it wrong: it is un…
This is a losing proposition. Because just like in Python, it may also generate endless debates on "ok, but what exactly is the idiomatic way for this particular thing here"? Is it A, or B, or maybe C? Since many are always possible, each optimizing for slightly different things, like simplicity, or maintainability, or performance, or readability, or coverage, etc. Groups may form furiously asserting that the idiomat…
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