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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by afavour »

chii wrote: post #217
kubb wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe because in 50 western countries nobody bothers you and the 1 exception, the UK did some weird stuff with online policing. The courts don’t sentence for that even in the UK, all you hear about are police actions. They’re also declining hard because of brexit and maybe fear public unrest. And in China for dissent you go to a reeducation camp. Or maybe the China incidents aren’t newsworthy, just expected.

> And in China for dissent you go to a reeducation camp. that may be true, but in the US, you get shot?

Not that I want to defend US police but even in Trump’s America that’s largely untrue. Folks are still able to protest.

The situation is worse than it has been in the past but it’s not at China equivalence levels.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by somewhatgoated »

minraws wrote: post #113
zx8080 wrote: post #101

It's so surprising that despute so many screams "China" in western media in the last 15 years, it happens in the west, but in China it's free to use any OS without any negative consequences. Why? What's going on?

Not true the part about China, but yes Western countries do like to pretend they have a lot more freedom than they do. If you can't criticize or protest Xi in China, try criticize or protesting the laws in rest of the world. Especially the things they do in the name of privacy, I remember UK jailing folks for FB posts, that's stuff that happens in third world countries. Not that UK ever had much of a leg to stand on,…

Idk I went to probably dozens of public protests here screaming no justice no peace, fuck the police and nothing ever happened to me, except a little tear-gas once in a while. I might be on some secret police lists not sure.

Living in Germany so UK might be much worse for all I know , but I would be surprised if Germany is the shining paragon for democracy now.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by afavour »

eunos wrote: post #178
minraws wrote: post #113

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Not true the part about China, but yes Western countries do like to pretend they have a lot more freedom than they do. If you can't criticize or protest Xi in China, try criticize or protesting the laws in rest of the world. Especially the things they do in the name of privacy, I remember UK jailing folks for FB posts, that's stuff that happens in third world countries. Not that UK ever had much of a leg to stand on,…

US now apparently asked your social media account including public access if you apply for a visa. Chinese don't care about that.

Well yeah, because they block outside social media networks…

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by ninjagoo »

Permik wrote: post #188
paulgdp wrote: post #100

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> Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. This is precisely the reason why I don't want to visit the US at the moment. The USA immigration officers can ask me to forfeit my phone's password and look at all my photos, documents, messages, call logs etc, WITHOUT SUSPICION. Some of that data can even stay on their servers for decades, and who knows if i…

I haven't written up an article about it yet, but from a cursory look of the legal stuff this only affects private citizens and could be circumvented by setting up a shell company that owns your devices. Legally, you can't surrender these devices, access to them or their passwords, as they are company property.

> could be circumvented by setting up a shell company that owns your devices.

Hard LOL. Doesn't apply at borders. Any country borders.

Also https://xkcd.com/538/

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by matthewmacleod »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #45
uni_baconcat wrote: post #18

This is not how authorities work. They need to prove people guilty, not flag all “suspicious activity” then let people prove they are innocent.

This isn't how the UK works. There is a vast ecosystem of pre-crime authorities and the police are able to investigate things which aren't crimes and add "non-crime" incidents to your criminal record. It may not surprise you to learn that almost all of the cases in which this is used are "social" crimes. In cases of actual crime, custodial sentences are sometimes not applied at all...again, usually for reasons of soc…

This isn't true – why did you come here and choose to lie about this?

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Post by inglor_cz »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #216
JdeBP wrote: post #164

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Not having a written constitution is not the same as not having rights in everyday practice.

It would seem that having a written constitution isn't the bulwark many thought it was.

If you read the Soviet constitution, it is remarkably liberal and progressive.

Only it had no teeth and whatever Stalin or Brezhnev wanted, the KGB would do.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by kotaKat »

bingo-bongo wrote: post #103
mjlee wrote: post #30

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When I was in high school I brought in a copy of The Hacker's Dictionary to show a friend. A teacher saw it. A few weeks later there was a hacking incident! The shared spreadsheet of every pupil's grades that every teacher had full access to was modified, boosting the grades of some students (including me) and lowering the grades of others (including people I didn't get on with). I was immediately sent home during th…

I started studying IT back in ‘99 and got a strict warning from the school my first year, because I had used the schools network to access the internet from my own laptop. I had “gained access” by plugging an ethernet cable into a random socket in the wall, and was doing some homework, when radom employee walked by. Since there wasn’t any rules (yet), that allowed nor disallowed it, I got of with only a warning ... f…

We had a single wireless AP (really, a WRT54G) chilling in the high school library in my last couple years. I may or may not have factory defaulted it a few times to hop on an open linksys SSID...

... they only seemed to put a sign on it to say 'stop defaulting it' yet did zero oversight, so I'd just keep on walking over to the printer next to it, reset it, and keep on trucking.

Getting a CR48 from the Google Chromebook pilot program was my next trick to defeat their WRT shenanigans - that 200mb of free 3G every month actually went a long way back then in the halls, and a McJob paid for the rest of the wireless freedom ;)

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lwhi »

jadamson wrote: post #239
lwhi wrote: post #82

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I'll make this simple for you. The behaviour of one officer does not mean that we should no longer live in a diverse society. This is one incident. The officer is question made a terrible call. The fact that people like you are using this as ammunition to further frankly racist aims, is an egregious afront to everyone living in the UK.

There were four officers in attendance [1] and race guidance [2] that says, quote: > Our commitment to racial equity [...] does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality). is currently under review as a result [3]. [1] https://theconversation.com/police-to-review-anti-racism-gui... [2] https://www.npcc.police.uk/our-work/police-race-action-plan/... [3] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/a…

And what's your point?

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Post by [deleted] »

hparadiz wrote: post #137
poirot2 wrote: post #117

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Americans perception of themselves always baffles me. You have police brutality regularly, ICE raids shooting protestors and deporting people (inc those with the right to be there) to El Salvador, people who write critical articles of Israel denied visas, servicemen dying in the Middle East, your president openly stealing from your government via slush funds and his sons, and so little accountability that the only pe…

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