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Post by trumpdong »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #152
paulgdp wrote: post #100

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> Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. This is precisely the reason why I don't want to visit the US at the moment. The USA immigration officers can ask me to forfeit my phone's password and look at all my photos, documents, messages, call logs etc, WITHOUT SUSPICION. Some of that data can even stay on their servers for decades, and who knows if i…

What happens if you send the phone by mail?

You go on a list for acting smart, and they dump it with a cellebrite same as at the border.

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Post by trumpdong »

ben_w wrote: post #172
shevy-java wrote: post #120

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Indeed, but the UK is in many ways words. At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld (give or take); in the UK you often don't even have such fundamental rights. The UK at present fits more to Russia than, e. g. European countries.

UK has (for now) the Human Rights Act and is a (for now) subject to the jurisdiction of (by being a founding member of) the European Court of Human Rights. Which is not to excuse the errors, but to put it in context: it is a European country… albeit just like Turkey and Azerbaijan.

In the UK I'd be worried about being arbitrarily arrested, deported, and banned from re-entry.

In the US I'd be worried about being murdered. By police. In cold blood.

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Post by raincole »

userbinator wrote: post #29
mmikeff wrote: post #16

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Can we stop it with this two tier justice system nonsense?

Two words: Henry Nowak.

Thank you for making me look it up. I haven't been following news for a while and didn't recognize this name. Didn't know the situation is that bad.

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Post by trumpdong »

graemep wrote: post #157
exe34 wrote: post #112

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What good is a piece of paper? I have nice toilet paper. It doesn't make me safer when visiting the US.

The entire point of a constitution is that, unlike toilet paper, it can be enforced by the courts.

Can be, or is? Courts can enforce my toilet paper too.

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Post by kimixa »

trumpdong wrote: post #158
jodrellblank wrote: post #65

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All sharing sites are not blocked, postimg and Reddit image hosting and Flickr and many more are not blocked. The uk didn’t block sharing sites because of a threat to the social order, sharing sites blocked uk viewers because they don’t want to comply with uk laws like “don’t gather children’s personal data”. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzxv5gy3qo

I'm pretty sure it was in protest of a law saying they'd have to check everyone's ID. The BBC, being incredibly biased, obviously won't report this correctly.

Imgur were found to be in breach of the data collection laws before any "you must check IDs" laws were even discussed in parliament, let alone passed, where the guidance was pretty much "Don't get caught actively selling data you already know is from children". And even the punishment was pretty much writing a document of "we'll try not to do it quite so obviously next time", but they refused to do even that.

The "implied" link between their fines, them rejecting UK connections, and any new laws is very much a PR thing from imgur.

All the breathless online reporting seems to miss just how toothless the law was, and they still failed at following it.

Like I think the new verification laws are an unworkable mess at best, written by people with an idea similar to believing they could "ban one specific species of fish from UK territorial waters" by throwing the odd grenade in, but they're rather unrelated to what imgur actually did.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

JdeBP wrote: post #164
shevy-java wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, but the UK is in many ways words. At the least in the USA, often the constitution is upheld (give or take); in the UK you often don't even have such fundamental rights. The UK at present fits more to Russia than, e. g. European countries.

Not having a written constitution is not the same as not having rights in everyday practice.

It would seem that having a written constitution isn't the bulwark many thought it was.

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Post by chii »

kubb wrote: post #162
zx8080 wrote: post #101

It's so surprising that despute so many screams "China" in western media in the last 15 years, it happens in the west, but in China it's free to use any OS without any negative consequences. Why? What's going on?

Maybe because in 50 western countries nobody bothers you and the 1 exception, the UK did some weird stuff with online policing. The courts don’t sentence for that even in the UK, all you hear about are police actions. They’re also declining hard because of brexit and maybe fear public unrest. And in China for dissent you go to a reeducation camp. Or maybe the China incidents aren’t newsworthy, just expected.

> And in China for dissent you go to a reeducation camp.

that may be true, but in the US, you get shot?

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Post by trumpdong »

cassianoleal wrote: post #141
exe34 wrote: post #115

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Geographically, that's quite the zinger. Legally, no. Different laws.

Europe has many many different jurisdictions. Even if you take the European Union alone and ignore all the other European countries, the EU only legislates over a subset of things for member countries.

The EU has no sovereignty, countries (like Hungary and Germany) can openly disobey it and the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU

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Post by mattlondon »

hparadiz wrote: post #137
poirot2 wrote: post #117

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Americans perception of themselves always baffles me. You have police brutality regularly, ICE raids shooting protestors and deporting people (inc those with the right to be there) to El Salvador, people who write critical articles of Israel denied visas, servicemen dying in the Middle East, your president openly stealing from your government via slush funds and his sons, and so little accountability that the only pe…

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I think you have your numbers backwards regarding health.

The US spends more (16% Vs 10 GDP), but preventable mortality, life expectancy, people living with chronic conditions etc are all worse than other developed nations: https://sites.lsa.umich.edu/mje/2023/05/26/a-comparative-ana... Plus the risk of being a victim of violence is higher in the US - you are 400% to 600% more likely to be murdered in the US than the UK, 700% more likely to be raped, 400% more likely to be robbed etc (https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/internat...) so you're gonna need that hospital treatment more.

As for pay the legal minimum hourly rate in the UK is approx $16.90 Vs the US minimum of $7.25

Median annual salaries seems to be approx $62k US Vs $53k UK so it is 17% higher not 400%. When you adjust for purchasing parity (https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPEX@WEO/OEMDC) it's more like 62k Vs 58k, or approx 8% more in the US. There are plenty of high-tech jobs in London, especially in AI & biotech recently (e.g. as an example I am quite "mid-to-senior" level (i.e. 2 to 3 promos away from "director" type levels, so more headroom.for sure) and my annual total comp is about 8-9 times the median UK salary for example, somewhere in the $450-500k range and I am not even an AI researcher, just an engineer writing web apps at a Big Co)

Can't deny that some parts of the US are warmer, but there are also colder places. UK is actually very mild climate-wise given it's latitude. I am married to a US citizen and our kids are dual national but there is zero zero zero chance of us ever living in the US for the above reasons. I work with loads of Americans who have permanently relocated to London, but it goes in both directions.

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Post by asdfsa32 »

sph wrote: post #173
asdfsa32 wrote: post #54

A new age of piracy is ahead of us. When they come crying about "revenue", these days will be remembered.

Let's not call it piracy, please, it makes us sound like thieves. It's resistance against mass surveillance and a State that's grown cancerous. It's any citizen's duty, really.

It is piracy; It is theft, but even capital punishment has a threshold of justification, let alone theft.

Piracy is justified action in response to intrusive, mass, and overreaching surveillance by the unholy matrimony of State and Corporate.

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