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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by arwineap »

poirot2 wrote: post #117
Cider9986 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. I won't be visiting. Despite many flaws, the US has some damn good rights for its citizens compared to the rest of the world.

Americans perception of themselves always baffles me. You have police brutality regularly, ICE raids shooting protestors and deporting people (inc those with the right to be there) to El Salvador, people who write critical articles of Israel denied visas, servicemen dying in the Middle East, your president openly stealing from your government via slush funds and his sons, and so little accountability that the only pe…

That's all true, and I had a great time in London and many eu countries.

Do immigrants have the same full rights as British citizens?

Would I be willing to re evaluate my visa every X years? Will I be willing to be uprooted if it's denied?

And how will childcare work when my elders are all here?

I think your post was correct as far as the state of the US, but your final paragraph is reductive. It's not always easy for someone to drop everything and uproot their life, even if it's possible

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by zelphirkalt »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #14

- Heavy censorship - Two-tier justice system - This How did it come to this? The UK is arguably the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom, having led the way in abolishing slavery.

The UK is historically a very bad example, especially as a colonizer. It has basically invented concentration camps before the Nazis, in Africa, and if we get to the opium war, the picture does not get much better either. Almost everywhere they went they engaged in hideous despicable crimes. If they have done most for the cause of freedom, then they have also done a much higher amount for non-freedom and slavery.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

croes wrote: post #108
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428?lang=e...

And? Being against anti-black racism doesn’t mean pro-white racism. Have you looked up what all those claiming racism against white people said when the victim of a mistake of an police officer was non-white?

You haven't even begun to understand people who disagree with you.

If you believe that what happened to George Floyd was bad, you would also believe that what happened to Nowak was bad. Saying that being appalled by police brutality towards a white person is "racism" misunderstands what people are saying complextely.

You are arguing with phantoms in your head.

The problem that people have is that whilst America was ripping itself apart with riots, British politicians were enthusiastically supporting this. Starmer made a statement saying he stood with the rioters. The same thing happened in the UK, there was a brief riot, and Starmer has taken the complete opposite position...and today, actually complained about people in other countries "stoking up division" (this is something that is getting said every few days).

The UK has policing policies and laws which favour some groups in society, this event was the outcome of that. When this happened in the US, the same politicians were outraged, appalled, disgusted. When this happened in the UK, no issues with policing at all. The problem that people have is that this is obviously contradictatory...again, if you start from the basis that people should be treated equally (which many people in the UK do not).

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by Cider9986 »

dwedge wrote: post #126

This is totally unacceptable. But going to the hassle of running GrapheneOS and then using it to try and submit facial scans to combine your identity with your PSN account just seems so pointless.

> But going to the hassle of running GrapheneOS and then using it to try and submit facial scans to combine your identity with your PSN account just seems so pointless. reply

Totally disagree. Everyone has a different threat model. Some people may solely be interested in the exploit protections and not care about their privacy. Some people might just like that it's completely open source or that there's no AI or it's bloat free.

I really dislike this maximalist, "ruin privacy" stance because it discourages people from making a small improvement if they can't be perfect. Changing to GrapheneOS is an insanely large privacy benefit compared to almost any other change and people might see this sort of sentiment and think there's no point if they use one privacy invasive app.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by nextstep »

minraws wrote: post #113
zx8080 wrote: post #101

It's so surprising that despute so many screams "China" in western media in the last 15 years, it happens in the west, but in China it's free to use any OS without any negative consequences. Why? What's going on?

Not true the part about China, but yes Western countries do like to pretend they have a lot more freedom than they do. If you can't criticize or protest Xi in China, try criticize or protesting the laws in rest of the world. Especially the things they do in the name of privacy, I remember UK jailing folks for FB posts, that's stuff that happens in third world countries. Not that UK ever had much of a leg to stand on,…

Do you have any sources for these claims about China?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by hparadiz »

poirot2 wrote: post #117
Cider9986 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. I won't be visiting. Despite many flaws, the US has some damn good rights for its citizens compared to the rest of the world.

Americans perception of themselves always baffles me. You have police brutality regularly, ICE raids shooting protestors and deporting people (inc those with the right to be there) to El Salvador, people who write critical articles of Israel denied visas, servicemen dying in the Middle East, your president openly stealing from your government via slush funds and his sons, and so little accountability that the only pe…

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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

jodrellblank wrote: post #65
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't how the UK works. There is a vast ecosystem of pre-crime authorities and the police are able to investigate things which aren't crimes and add "non-crime" incidents to your criminal record. It may not surprise you to learn that almost all of the cases in which this is used are "social" crimes. In cases of actual crime, custodial sentences are sometimes not applied at all...again, usually for reasons of soc…

All sharing sites are not blocked, postimg and Reddit image hosting and Flickr and many more are not blocked. The uk didn’t block sharing sites because of a threat to the social order, sharing sites blocked uk viewers because they don’t want to comply with uk laws like “don’t gather children’s personal data”. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gzxv5gy3qo

"don't gather children's personal data"...wut?

i love commenting on this stuff to get an insight into the mindset of people who support this...strident ignorance.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by trumpdong »

Cider9986 wrote: post #36
antiloper wrote: post #31

OI mate, you got a loicense for that operating system? The only surprising thing about this story is that the user didn't get a visit by the police to be charged with a "non-crime cybersecurity incident". The UK has become such a shithole.

Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. I won't be visiting. Despite many flaws, the US has some damn good rights for its citizens compared to the rest of the world.

Isn't it exactly the same in the US right now?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

sirsinsalot wrote: post #98
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't how the UK works. There is a vast ecosystem of pre-crime authorities and the police are able to investigate things which aren't crimes and add "non-crime" incidents to your criminal record. It may not surprise you to learn that almost all of the cases in which this is used are "social" crimes. In cases of actual crime, custodial sentences are sometimes not applied at all...again, usually for reasons of soc…

But get your car stolen in the UK and the police won't do a thing. Even if you know where it is via a tracker. Nothing. Outright refuse to take any action.

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