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Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

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Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

#91
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Good luck with digital id. Not gonna play along. No matter what.

I knew a fellow with the same idea about government id of any form. No driver's license, no social security card, no state id. To say the least, he made some pretty serious compromises in life. He was a tattoo artist with no shop and effectively homeless when I knew him, if you were curious. Anyway, sometimes the world moves on without you.

I have a passport. Once digital becomes mandatory I'm ready for the scenario you described.

Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

#92
post #52

Good luck with digital id. Not gonna play along. No matter what.

When you are interacting with the government for official business, what purpose is there to hide one's identity? You can't exactly not fill in your name in your tax return. For the non-government/private business however, it is indeed a matter of privacy. France rolled out a while ago the requirement to establish the user's age when accessing porn sites. I refuse to do that.

Who said anything about hiding anything? If they summon me to show up somewhere or if there's a legitimate reason for interaction with the government I'll show up at some local place, show my ID and I'm done with it.

I'm just not gonna hand them even more tools of control.

Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

#93

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Unfortunately you will never realize how this ideology is fucking up every facet of society and which interests that are never your own put a momentous effort into drilling that propaganda into your head.

> that propaganda Not big on evidence-based thinking, are you?

It's strongly ideological-based thinking to believe your government need to pay for the profit of some investor in another country in order to do anything, because if they did it themselves they just "fuck it up". It's your taxes being redistributed to people that tell you this is just evidence-based, technocratic thinking and without alternative. Then you see the infrastructure around you falling apart and get angry when you hit a pothole - why are you paying so much taxes for nothing, let's cut them we start at those corporations are paying...

Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

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post #63

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> For France it certainly is, probably because of our stubborn focus on strategic autonomy. You're seeing people wake up to the threat now, with the opposition against Kyndryl and the Nexperia thing. Somewhat more controversially, I'm also worried about the French government owning large parts of the Dutch defense industry through Thales and Airbus. (And, to a lesser extent, German and Spanish governments.) Very litt…

The days of nationalized French defense companies and state arsenals have been over for quite a while. Assuming I didn't make any mistakes: GIAT was privatized, then renamed to Nexter, then merged with German KMW to form European KNDS and now it's about to do an IPO. All of the French aerospace industry (including missiles) bar Dassault and Thales is inside Airbus. Arquus was bought by Belgian John Cockerill. I could…

I looked into the other names you've mentioned.

KNDS is certainly planning to IPO later this year, but with only 20% of the stock free floating. The plans are that the French and German governments will own 40% each.

Arquus is not owned by "Belgian John Cockerill", it is owned by the John Cockerill Group, which in turn is owned by Frenchman Bernard Serin.

Naval Group: 62% owned by the French Government, 25% owned by Thales.

While it's certainly not wholly government-owned, it really doesn't look like a private sector either. For some companies the publicness looks a lot like a fig leaf.

Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

#96
post #23

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I’m unaware of this kind of topic ever being one of the points in election time. This as opposed to topics like animal welfare. Sovereignty is only now becoming more visible as a votable topic. Sadly, I don’t know of a way to influence how our government practices IT. Except maybe to work for Logius. And even then there will be the topic of funding.

I’m unaware of this kind of topic ever being one of the points in election time. IT sovereignty may not have been a topic during elections, but it should be clear to anyone now that the VVD (political party that has been in most governments in the past decades) is a revolving door. When given a choice, they will always prefer letting the market do it/deregulate. This is not limited to IT. Banks, insurance companies,…

Oh sure. This applies to almost all politicians, not just those VVD. They are more sought after because they actually have been in government long. (And indeed, maybe it is even a vicious circle.)

However, election topics never were about this kind of meta behaviour and more of the topics. Many people voted for PvdA, GroenLinks, D66, and other parties. Even for the more right wing ones than VVD.

The thing is that topics these days are so broad that they do not revolve around left/right or liberal/conservative anymore.

On topic, privatisation could perfectly have been paired with an European ideal from the beginning. In fact, before all these shenanigans with the one currently called president started, it was still believed we as “the West” were one hegemony. In that light, things were privatised along the ideals. It is only lately that the ideals changed to include more country sovereignty.

Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

#98
post #33

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Bullshit. Its not illegal.

It often is. Above a certain value you need EU wide bidding. Post and trains already had to be privatised since them being government owned was deemed anti competitive by EU standards

Which law are you claiming is about all govt it systems? Note this is not about trains or shit. This is about govt it system.

Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

#99
Ok fine. In the long run nativising has limits.

A good model is 5g WiFi: trust the foreign dumb parts and provide your own smart parts.

But that requires excellent state capacity. Specifically intelligence sharing with domestic regulators- which many countries struggle with.

At the the end of the day, the processors won’t be designed locally, and trusted computing is quite rare.

Re: Dutch gov't will only allow European company to operate DigiD platform

#100

Here is my naive take on sovereignty, and how everything should work in the new "USA decided to kill its own dominance, and attack its allies" world. The world is now balkanized, let's live in that reality. 1. Almost every country has amazing universities with software tracks. A big issue is that universities often don't prepare their students for the real work, aka making and supporting products. 2. Governments shou…

> Almost every country has amazing universities with software tracks.

Simply not true. It’s questionable what “best program” means for software engineering. It’s a hard craft to teach in classrooms and apprenticeship/mentoring model is reputable. Even if every country had such a system today (far from it) it wouldn’t produce devs with 10 years experience until 10 years from now.

> Governments should greatly favor products created by the students of their own universities.

Simply not true. Go with the best tool for the job. Favoritism for domestic industries is fatal in highly innovative industries. Even if your own product is better (American Gopher was far superior to European HTTP, American UNIX was superior to Finnish Linux, American Perl was superior to Dutch Python), adoption matters.

Looking backward it seems really bizarre to favor locals, doesn’t it?

The alternative is building the capacity to evaluate and mitigate risk.

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