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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by throwfaraway135 »

youngNed wrote: post #26
throwfaraway135 wrote: post #14

- Heavy censorship - Two-tier justice system - This How did it come to this? The UK is arguably the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom, having led the way in abolishing slavery.

Eric Williams: “British historians write almost as if Britain had introduced Negro slavery solely for the satisfaction of abolishing it.

Totally agree, the British Empire has a lot of blood on its hand, but compared to its forebears and contemporaries it did abolish slavery, a tradition that has roots as old as humanity itself.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by kotaKat »

mjlee wrote: post #30
VariousPrograms wrote: post #4

I'm done for once the authorities know I have an account on HACKER News.

When I was in high school I brought in a copy of The Hacker's Dictionary to show a friend. A teacher saw it. A few weeks later there was a hacking incident! The shared spreadsheet of every pupil's grades that every teacher had full access to was modified, boosting the grades of some students (including me) and lowering the grades of others (including people I didn't get on with). I was immediately sent home during th…

I remember trying to argue with the IT folks at school because hackaday.com was blocked for "hacking"... damn, guess all those fun electronics projects people were doing is Super Evil And Only For Criminals.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by GlacierFox »

mmikeff wrote: post #16
throwfaraway135 wrote: post #14

- Heavy censorship - Two-tier justice system - This How did it come to this? The UK is arguably the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom, having led the way in abolishing slavery.

Can we stop it with this two tier justice system nonsense?

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Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by esperent »

trumpdong wrote: post #21
uni_baconcat wrote: post #18

This is not how authorities work. They need to prove people guilty, not flag all “suspicious activity” then let people prove they are innocent.

This actually is how authorities work. If you do anything unusual at all, you are flagged as suspicious. You will find yourself being denied services without explanation. There is no appeal process.

Not where I live. If it's happening where you live then it's a sign you need to start protesting/organizing/get involved in politics/using whatever skills you have to improve matters before they get worse.

This happened in the UK, specifically, and from what we've all seen it's definitely sliding in a bad direction over the past decade. But it's also not in any way so far gone that you can't take action. If you're sitting here on HN complaining and yet doing nothing else, you're a part of the problem. Stop being complacent, take action before it's too late. You won't get thrown in jail for getting involved in politics there (yes, you'll find some specific examples of that happening but if you look deeper they'll all unravel and show there was a deeper reason that's being misrepresented, usually by tabloids/social media).

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

uni_baconcat wrote: post #18

This is not how authorities work. They need to prove people guilty, not flag all “suspicious activity” then let people prove they are innocent.

This isn't how the UK works. There is a vast ecosystem of pre-crime authorities and the police are able to investigate things which aren't crimes and add "non-crime" incidents to your criminal record. It may not surprise you to learn that almost all of the cases in which this is used are "social" crimes. In cases of actual crime, custodial sentences are sometimes not applied at all...again, usually for reasons of social order.

Ironically, I also can't read most of the screenshots because all sharing sites are blocked in the UK because of the threat image sharing represents to the social order.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by Cider9986 »

pogue wrote: post #20

Someone in the comments of that post linked to a long FAQ section for GrapheneOS about how apps can identify it and so forth [1]. I don't understand why it doesn't just attempt to spoof that's it's stock Android/Google everywhere it possibly can? [1] https://grapheneos.org/faq#:~:text=Apps%20can%20detect%20tha...

They are focused on making their users more private and secure, not trying to trick 0.01% of apps that give them problems.

It's a cat and mouse game that would require significant investment and could make things look more suspicious, better to focus on adoption so it becomes harder for companies to make stupid decisions like this. I've seen a banking apps that have expressly added support for GrapheneOS with their hardware attestation after customers mentioned it.

Even dedicated anti-detect browsers are constantly blocked and need patches. It's not something I would want GrapheneOS to focus on.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by skippyboxedhero »

mmikeff wrote: post #32
kaliqt wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's not a fact at all, it's a lie spread by people who want to stoke anger for their own benefit.

https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428?lang=e...

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by youngNed »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #41
youngNed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eric Williams: “British historians write almost as if Britain had introduced Negro slavery solely for the satisfaction of abolishing it.

Totally agree, the British Empire has a lot of blood on its hand, but compared to its forebears and contemporaries it did abolish slavery, a tradition that has roots as old as humanity itself.

Compared to its contemporaries, only Portugal transported more African slaves across to the America's.

But hey, they stopped doing it, after a couple hundred years so let's everyone give Britain credit.

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by yubblegum »

throwfaraway135 wrote: post #14

- Heavy censorship - Two-tier justice system - This How did it come to this? The UK is arguably the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom, having led the way in abolishing slavery.

> the country that has done the most for the cause of freedom

Need a history refresher. Let's skip the Magna Carta since that was really about giving power to feudal lords. Do you mean British empire being the unwitting and unwilling cause of United States?

When, in God's green Earth, have the "lords" that lord it over the "subjects of crown" common people of that island have been vanguards of "freedom" when it did not serve their own class interests?

Re: GrapheneOS user reported to authorities for using GrapheneOS

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Post by lukan »

Cider9986 wrote: post #36
antiloper wrote: post #31

OI mate, you got a loicense for that operating system? The only surprising thing about this story is that the user didn't get a visit by the police to be charged with a "non-crime cybersecurity incident". The UK has become such a shithole.

Yep, police can simply ask anyone for their passwords and if you don't give it up they can put you in jail. I won't be visiting. Despite many flaws, the US has some damn good rights for its citizens compared to the rest of the world.

Yet swatting, making police kick in the doors and shoot the dogs of someone who was victim of anonymous slander, isn't really a thing here in europe compared to the US.
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