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Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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The disturbing thing is that anyone was surprised by this. GPS is very fragile.

This made news in the U.S. a few years ago because Ajit Pai had the brilliant idea to allow so-called "5G" telecom service on frequencies too close to those of GPS. I don't think this case is resolved yet: https://physicstoday.aip.org/news/new-5g-exemption-may-jam-g...

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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One can tell that this is 'from far away'. Europe was hoping that Russia, in their own interest would pursue peaceful cooperation, even when Putin was already talking about 'spheres of influence'. When Russia invaded Georgia, Europe turned the blind eye and was still hoping for peaceful relations with Russia. When Russia annexed Crimea, same thing. Even when Russia was pulling together forces along Ukraines border an…

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Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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"aybe annoying for some, but a need for others." Who needs it? Russia? I guess Russia does not need war but it started it anyway.

you think only Russia does GPS jamming?

in this context we talk about Russia

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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No one gives a fuck what russian residents are thinking about it. And if they start to talk about issues - police will quickly force everyone to shut up.

Thats true, but its also true that most russians support this war. Maybe they dont say it, but they are the soldiers in the trenches, mechanical engineers building missiles, software developers building their military software, Oil/NG workers that fund the war and so on

It's more reasonable to say that the russian people tolerate the war as long as it does not impact their economic situation over a certain tolerance threshold. Almost all of the fighters from the Russian side are on paid voluntary contracts for a reason.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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> and a tuned filter So correlating it with a sine wavelet?

No? Old AM radio required only rectification. You can receive it with accidental diodes.

You do generally need a tuned filter before the rectification, unless you have an extremely large signal dominating the local airwaves. Which is precisely the parent poster's point: with RF you are almost always doing something to demodulate the signal. Whether you are doing it with a sine wave or something more complicated is not that fundamentally different. (and if you're looking at a spectrum analysis, that is looking at the radio signal from the point of view of that sinusoidal modulation scheme, so you will see such signals 'above' the noise floor more readily than something using a different modulation).

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Maybe there are reasons Europe is pulling away from the US? The current US president has threatened to invade European territory, is attempting to impose Russia's preferred "peace" plan on Ukraine, and has recently relaxed sanctions on Russia. He also consistently denigrates the military support Europe's given to the US in the recent past. The US has basically cut aid to Ukraine to zero, while Europe continues to sup…

And? When the Russians invaded Georgia in 2008, Europeans inked a deal for a second gas pipeline with them, Nordstream 2. When they annexed Crimea in 2014, Europeans went to the Sochi Olympics (which happened that same year ) and went to the World Cup in 2018. And this is before you take into account the dozens of smaller incidents. Those aren't "threats to invade European territory", not even ones that were ignored…

The funding bill is never getting past the Senate, and even if it were the money is unlikely to reach Ukraine unless the current admin has a fundamental change of heart.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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That jamming near Kaliningrad must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right? Unless it is very carefully aimed which seems unlikely since it is also trying to cover a very large volume.

>must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right? They don't give a fuck. Was watching a youtube video by a russian the other day talking about war & sanction impact and things like ride sharing apps literally say on screen the location is going to be wrong and to select pickup spot manually. It's just assumed to be fucked as a given even at an app development level

Weren't we promised that quantum dead reckoning was right around the corner?

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Why, the Second Chechen War.

okay, let me rephrase that: would it have taken two wars to subdue that tiny, sparsely populated country had that country been armed with nothing but sticks, stones, and Molotov's?

Probably? We can look at the English attempts at "pacifying" Ireland during the XIX and XX century... my point is, if you really need your uprising against a decisive and ruthless government to succeed, you better get foreign backing and a shitload of supplies and training from them, and even then it may be crushed; having small firearms "pre-deployed" amongst the population won't really help all that much.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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> and a tuned filter So correlating it with a sine wavelet?

No? Old AM radio required only rectification. You can receive it with accidental diodes.

You also need an accidental antenna. A tuned one that preferentially receives certain sines. Or else you are receiving sunlight with a solar panel.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

#200

I wonder why they call this specific discovery “jamming”. What they found is a relatively rare burst transmissions over roughly 5MHz of spectrum of something looking like a 12ms cyclic prefix with spacing related to 150 seconds multiplies. I would suspect it is some sort of sync or data close to L1 GPS frequencies, that as a side effect causing lower CNR for the GPS receivers. Btw it is only 10dB, which also I can’t…

> I wonder why they call this specific discovery “jamming”. Because it jamms.

Well 10dB lower CNR for couple seconds doesn't pass my definition of jamm, but rather is a minor co-channel interference.
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