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Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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> Circular financing Circular financing would require SpaceX to buy a similar quantity of stuff from Google. (Or invest in Google.) We have no evidence of that. Instead this looks like Google taking advantage of SpaceX’s desire to print revenue today versus a month from now. (If the agreement is terminated with no exchange of goods, it might be market manipulation. But still not circular financing.)

> Alphabet has made a windfall from backing SpaceX. Musk’s company was worth $12 billion at the time of Google’s 2015 investment How come its not a circular deal where google is investing little bit more money to make a whole lot more money

that's not circular though

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Circular financing Circular financing would require SpaceX to buy a similar quantity of stuff from Google. (Or invest in Google.) We have no evidence of that. Instead this looks like Google taking advantage of SpaceX’s desire to print revenue today versus a month from now. (If the agreement is terminated with no exchange of goods, it might be market manipulation. But still not circular financing.)

It's circular since Google owns part of SpaceX. According to [1] they own 7% of SpaceX, so a $1.75T IPO would value their stake at $120B. The target IPO price is >90x revenue, so if Google increases SpaceX's revenue by $11B, SpaceX's valuation could increase by $990B to maintain the same multiple, which would increase the value of Google's stake by $69B. 1: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/alphabet-s…

Their exposure is more than just their ownership of SpaceX.

If the SpaceX IPO bombs (or even merely underperforms), the expectations for the Anthropic/OpenAI IPOs collapse, and with that, everything else AI.

AI companies can't afford to let any AI company go down.

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Tangent alert: a couple of questions for folks who know far more than I do about compute capacity and Google these days... Lately, like the past few months, I've noticed Google services (search, gmail, drive, maps) running very slowly to the point where, at the moment it happens, I always think it has to be my connection and not Google, but sure enough every time I check a couple of speed tests and they're... fine. A…

Do you still perceive search and maps to be slow even when logged out?

I'm probably 50/50 with search in particular logged in vs. out and I do think I notice on both, but I'm not entirely sure. Just saying the search and maps algorithm is wading through so much of my history that it can't help but choke trying to deliver the "right" results?

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Who uses Grok? Not even SpaceX engineers that is known...

I've used/use it. For a while it had one of the best lightweight coding LLM's, which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage ranking although they've fallen off the top 10 used now. It's also provided some good reasoning models, which perform better when dealing with non-PC topics. Also, although I've never used it for this, I believe some of the paid models produce some of the best "adult" content, and I know…

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Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who uses Grok? Not even SpaceX engineers that is known...

I've used/use it. For a while it had one of the best lightweight coding LLM's, which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage ranking although they've fallen off the top 10 used now. It's also provided some good reasoning models, which perform better when dealing with non-PC topics. Also, although I've never used it for this, I believe some of the paid models produce some of the best "adult" content, and I know…

> which actually lead to a #1 spot on openrouter usage

that was only because it was free

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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Is this another circular investment to help pump up the stock valuation? Why would Google need to rent that much compute? > Google parent Alphabet has made a windfall from backing SpaceX, which was worth $12 billion at the time of its 2015 investment, and is looking to go public at a valuation of over $1.75 trillion

antigravity is a token hog

Re: Google to pay SpaceX $920M a month for compute capacity at xAI data centers

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google: we are commited to carbon free data centers by 2030 ( https://sustainability.google/reports/247-carbon-free-energy... ) also google: renting capacity from a data center powered by 27 methane gas turbines on trailers https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2026/4/whitehous...

The deal ends in June 2029, which is before 2030.
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