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Entanglement Builds Space-Time. Now "Magic" Gives It Gravity

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Re: Entanglement Builds Space-Time. Now "Magic" Gives It Gravity

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Post by Noaidi »

If particles are "entangled", that means they are not separated. Correct? So why are we still looking at the universe as materialists?

Gravity is the force created by a mesh of entanglements. Entanglement is not the "connective tissue". Entanglement is the whole universe. Only our minds disentangle the universe out of necessity.

In other words, there are no particles, only waves. A planet is not a chunk of matter, it is a wave. a planet has no real boundary, that is a product of human consciousness.

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Post by wmeredith »

lioeters wrote: post #6

Charm, quark, colors, time crystals, holographs.. And now, magic. Don't worry Einstein, no spooky action at a distance here, it's just magical. > The more non-Clifford gates you need to produce a quantum state, the more magical that state is. The group found that the particles were highly magical. ..They showed that magic gave space its springiness . Magic, in other words, is connected to space’s ability to bend. At…

As all programmers know: naming things (abstracting ideas for human interpretation) is hard.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

an0malous wrote: post #132
CamperBob2 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, if you disagree with Penrose’s idea, just explain your disagreement. We can now simulate every aspect of consciousness except for long-term memory consolidation, to the extent that you can't tell if you're talking to a conscious person or a computer. The existence of LLMs means that no quantum woo is necessary to explain consciousness. Our brains just do the same thing by different means. In short, Penrose's a…

You’re conflating consciousness with intelligence. Consciousness is subjective experience, there’s no way to know if any other people, much less machines, are conscious.

That doesn't mean we can't simulate it, though. Name an attribute of consciousness, and we can (or will soon be able to) simulate it.

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Post by moosedev »

an0malous wrote: post #132
CamperBob2 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, if you disagree with Penrose’s idea, just explain your disagreement. We can now simulate every aspect of consciousness except for long-term memory consolidation, to the extent that you can't tell if you're talking to a conscious person or a computer. The existence of LLMs means that no quantum woo is necessary to explain consciousness. Our brains just do the same thing by different means. In short, Penrose's a…

You’re conflating consciousness with intelligence. Consciousness is subjective experience, there’s no way to know if any other people, much less machines, are conscious.

> You’re conflating consciousness with intelligence. Consciousness is subjective experience

Indeed. Thinking is not the same as experiencing thinking.

> there’s no way to know if any other people, much less machines, are conscious.

Or even ourselves :D

"Consciousness is just an illusion" "If so, who's experiencing the illusion?" "Yes"

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Post by echelon »

e12e wrote: post #89
zchrykng wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simulating it on a computer, even a "quantum computer", is not the same as testing it against actual reality.

Ah. You're assuming we're not living in a simulation?

Would the designers want us to know?

If they're powerful enough to build a universe simulation, theoretically they can blur the edges so we can't discover them. They might even be able to construct and limit the systems of maths and physics we have access to.

I suppose the simulation could be smaller than a universe simulation though - and this is actually really compelling -

It could just be you that is simulated.

Maybe your consciousness and sensory inputs are simulated. You're kept largely on rails and the rest of the world is run at lower fidelity. They know you won't go poking at particle accelerators and theory, so they can keep those pieces low effort and you just get fed narrative. The only things to simulate are those that are directly in front of you now.

Almost like a movie. Not a universe at all.

We might have that capability within 50 years. All your sensory input being simulation. And the virtual brain playing with that input or replaying recordings.

That could be totally feasible. And we might have that tech soon.

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Post by u1hcw9nx »

Tade0 wrote: post #46
lioeters wrote: post #6

Charm, quark, colors, time crystals, holographs.. And now, magic. Don't worry Einstein, no spooky action at a distance here, it's just magical. > The more non-Clifford gates you need to produce a quantum state, the more magical that state is. The group found that the particles were highly magical. ..They showed that magic gave space its springiness . Magic, in other words, is connected to space’s ability to bend. At…

Time crystals, AFAIK, are actually descriptive: they're crystals in the sense that they produce regularities through occupying the lowest energy state - they just do that in time, not just space.

So is Holographic principle in physics. Describing 3 representing 3 dimensional object in 2 dimensional surface is what holography is.

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Post by UncleSlacky »

vardump wrote: post #138
nilkn wrote: post #67

"Einstein cast gravity not as a force but as the geometric bending of space and time. In a popular analogy, the fabric of space-time is like the flat expanse of a mattress, and a massive object like a star is like a bowling ball sitting on top. The weight of the bowling ball compresses the mattress, forming a dimple — matter tells space-time how to curve. In this analogy, a planet is like a smaller ball. If it rolls…

Does this mean universe can only support certain amount of energy (or motion) in a certain volume?

Well, interesting things are expected to happen above the Schwinger limit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwinger_limit

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Post by wayeq »

mavleop wrote: post #148

Can anyone else not stand quanta magazine? Everything posted here from there is the most woo-based, mis-represented, science mumbo jumbo. I didnt read the article cause this seems like a prime example of that so someone can correct me if I’m wrong

> I didnt read the article cause this seems like a prime example of that so someone can correct me if I’m wrong

if only there were some kind of magical universal summarizer you could use..

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Post by throwaway27448 »

Retric wrote: post #123
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this cause a point particle to accelerate towards the sun? Must be something about the gradient, but how does the gradient of time cause you to curve towards the sun?

With QM there’s no pure point particles.

No, but you can talk about changes in perturbations of fields over time in QFT (which has its own representational issues). A particle is a useful metaphor.
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