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Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by RealityVoid »

Mildly interesting, and highly likely related. A cluster of 5(?) Ukrainian marine drones wound up today outside and around of Constanta off the coast of Romania with one detonating in the port and the rest detonating... somewhere around. Que here noisy exposion in port:

https://youtu.be/Y8kdneBU_3Q?si=cr07TeMnxJTG-3TM&t=17

No significant damage.

The Ukrainans apparently lost control of the drones and they wound up there. My pet theory is that Russian EW jammed the control signals and guided the GPS jamming walking them to Constanta. I'll admit, if it was intentional (it seems so) it's pretty damn' impressive work from Russian EW.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by yehat »

embedding-shape wrote: post #85
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you normalize the deviation, here. If you listen to the press conference, Podesta (the press secretary) spoke about the plane circling and not being able to land. When preparing the press conference, she should have checked if this obvious lie can be obviously disproved, but she did not. This probably means that she did not know this was a lie, but then someone who ordered this to be announced knew. My bet is…

> I think you normalize the deviation, here. I don't care about Ursula von der Leyen nor her plane, merely explaining that if you try to extrapolate that a group of people don't have "basic world knowledge" based on not knowing a specific technology nor how/why it's used, the community is actually doing the rest of us a favor by downvoting it. Want to discuss her office's use of a plane and how it's related to inspec…

"the community" is a very small privileged group, hope you know that.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by yehat »

spwa4 wrote: post #145

TLDR: Russia is jamming GPS and GNSS over Europe, purposefully, using a constellation of military satellites, part of the Russian nuclear program. Theory is that Russia has been constantly practicing to totally disrupt GPS and GNSS (and the Chinese system) across all of Europe since 2014. Practicing to deploy electronic warfare not across a warzone or even a country but an entire continent.

Who's theory is that? Is it proven by independent research?

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by hughmungus67 »

Schlagbohrer wrote: post #20
uijl wrote: post #6

Interesting to see that they are able to identify the specific satellite. I wonder if we can do something now that we know the source. Working on construction projects on the Romanian coastline (just South of Ukraine) and on the Polish continental waters (just West of Kaliningrad) we experienced jamming on a daily basis.

That jamming near Kaliningrad must surely be impacting the Russian residents as well, right? Unless it is very carefully aimed which seems unlikely since it is also trying to cover a very large volume.

"what is GLONASS" - you

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by notagorn »

badc0ffee wrote: post #174
lenerdenator wrote: post #149

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And? When the Russians invaded Georgia in 2008, Europeans inked a deal for a second gas pipeline with them, Nordstream 2. When they annexed Crimea in 2014, Europeans went to the Sochi Olympics (which happened that same year ) and went to the World Cup in 2018. And this is before you take into account the dozens of smaller incidents. Those aren't "threats to invade European territory", not even ones that were ignored…

The (misguided IMO) idea was that buying their gas and integrating them into world markets would strengthen ties and liberalize them in the medium term. Nobody believes that anymore, post-2022.

I don't think it was misguided; Nuland-Pyatt leak and the tapping of Merkel's phone made it pretty clear to me that like in the Yeltsin years the problem was that the US didn't want Russia/Europe ties to succeed.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by actionfromafar »

bananaowl wrote: post #113
throw0101a wrote: post #23

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> Flexing the ability to jam GPS is pointless, since it's obvious that any state actor who has military satellites in orbit has considered this option or have the capability already. Forget "state actors", truck drivers have taken out entire airports with GPS jammers: * https://www.cnet.com/culture/truck-driver-has-gps-jammer-acc... People like the Resilient Navigation and Timing Foundation have been trying for years…

Iridium has launched its own alternative positioning and timing system now https://www.iridium.com/iridium-pnt

It's wild how far Motorola has fallen.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by colechristensen »

Aerroon wrote: post #14
whizzter wrote: post #12

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If you start shooting down stuff in orbit, it'll invite retaliation, but even without retaliation there's a huge risk of a Kessler syndrome (especially with all the stuff that SpaceX has put into orbit in recent years).

I've thought about this before - do you actually need to "shoot it down" (make it explode)? What if you just nudge it a little and either make it spin or change its orbit? If your missile can reach the satellite then these seem like things that should be possible, no?

A missile intercept for explosions or a kinetic destruction the relative velocity will be measured in kilometers per second.

A little nudge doesn't do much, it's still a satellite in a substantially similar orbit. Any sort of nudge requires intercept, go up there and match its velocity so you can grab it and push. And still you have to push on it a whole lot to make a meaningful difference. Spin it up? You'd have to do enough to exhaust it's fuel it uses to orient itself.

You're sort of saying if you can chuck an apple hitting a car on the highway, surely you can tow it away to get it off the road. They're significantly different problems.

Re: Tracing a powerful GNSS interference source over Europe

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

vardump wrote: post #170
Npovview wrote: post #127

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Playing Devil's advocate, given how much firepower Russia has, why is it so soft on Ukraine. I mean what is the endgoal for Russia here? Tire out the US/NATO Empire just as US did to Soviets in Afghanistan. I sometimes feel like all these events are orchestrated as Simon Dixon talks about them in his videos. https://www.youtube.com/@SimonDixon21/videos

Are you joking? Russia has thrown everything it has at Ukraine for quite some time.

Everything> Are you sure?

They have a large nuclear arsenal; I'm sure the news would have covered it being used.

What news do you follow that shows Ukraine as a hot nuclear desert?

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