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Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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Maybe trying to engineer addiction is what should be illegal, and if you want to question "how do you define whether something is addictive" you don't need an objective measure: you determine whether it seems like the people making the product seem to think that's their goal.

"you know it when you see it"

I guess I worded that poorly; it isn't merely that we don't need an objective measure: we literally don't need a measure at all, as the crime would be attempting to cause it, whether or not it was even possible to do, and so we simply do not care if the activity was addictive. If you are going out of your way to exploit the psychology or physiology of other humans in an attempt to use that to sell your product, maybe that is what should be illegal.

This would then mean that "our expert witness has strong evidence that my client's product area is not 'addictive', so my client could not ever be said to be engineering addiction" would not be a defense any more than "the plan my client came up with to kill their alleged victim could not possibly have worked, so my client can not be charged with attempted murder" is (at least generally, afaik) not a defense.

Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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Literally every company on the planet would jump at the chance for their product to be addictive.

I don't think that's actually true. Heck, from my own experience, I can definitively say it's not actually true. I've worked in several organizations where I helped create and sell products whose job was to provide value, then let people get on with their day. I wouldn't have worked at those places otherwise. Not saying that intended addictiveness is not common, but let's not normalize corporate sociopathy.

That's because your employer doesn't think they can ever be addictive.

Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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Good on Nadella: After expressing his complete disbelief that such a document could have been written, Nadella adds that the elusive and mysterious authors “may want to go work elsewhere.”

edit: VP of a product I had not even heard of; it's no Copilot. I would not assume it was on Nadella's radar.

Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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Literally every company on the planet would jump at the chance for their product to be addictive.

No that’s just the goal of bad companies. I work for a company that does not, in fact, want our product to be addictive. We want our product to help people. Stop normalizing this behavior as ‘just business’ and start calling out bad people for what they are.

Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"you know it when you see it"

I guess I worded that poorly; it isn't merely that we don't need an objective measure: we literally don't need a measure at all, as the crime would be attempting to cause it, whether or not it was even possible to do, and so we simply do not care if the activity was addictive. If you are going out of your way to exploit the psychology or physiology of other humans in an attempt to use that to sell your product, maybe…

This just shifts the question to: what counts as attempt to cause an addiction?

Does writing a book aims to make people read addictive? Try to design a gym class that makes you feel good about yourself so you will come again?

You still need to define what is addictive

Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's actually true. Heck, from my own experience, I can definitively say it's not actually true. I've worked in several organizations where I helped create and sell products whose job was to provide value, then let people get on with their day. I wouldn't have worked at those places otherwise. Not saying that intended addictiveness is not common, but let's not normalize corporate sociopathy.

That's because your employer doesn't think they can ever be addictive.

No, it was because they weren't supposed to be. They were fulfilling an actual need and creating value in a way that wasn't intended to be addictive. And I was a co-founder of some of those orgs and products, so it wasn't about my employer.

I know it's hard to believe that not every organization is sociopathic, because many are (the larger, the more likely to be). But not every one is.

Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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There are plenty reasons to be critical of Microsoft's AI strategy and tactics (and especially of many other things MS has done), but the linked article seems to be targeted at gamer, rather than at people who care about non-gaming tech industry or public policy.

What seemed a bit more relevant was one of the linked 404 articles, concerning CEO's denial and attempts to dismiss the document, before the document was revealed to be co-authored by the head of the strategic project. But even that article sounds more like social media or political mud-slinging in style, rather than journalism:

> In attempting to distance himself from his own company’s executives and strategy documents, Nadella has revealed that he either does not know how to read or does not know what is happening with some of the company’s highest-profile products.

But what I didn't see what a smoking gun that they were truly looking for addictive (like, say, Facebook/Meta has been caught engineering) rather than something they could've described as essential if they weren't using amped-up business bro language. So rage-baiting over the word "addictive" seems to be missing better questions.

Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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Literally every company on the planet would jump at the chance for their product to be addictive.

Imagine a world where every car company would get money every time someone uses their car. Instead of monthly subscription for self driving or heated seat, it would just cost a few cents a minute. This would be a strong push to try to destroy public transportation everywhere

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Re: Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to Its New AI Assistant

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post #19

Maybe trying to engineer addiction is what should be illegal, and if you want to question "how do you define whether something is addictive" you don't need an objective measure: you determine whether it seems like the people making the product seem to think that's their goal.

"you know it when you see it"

Shockingly, a huge amount of human behavior cannot be strictly defined and is best evaluated with situational, subjective judgement. Crazy.
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