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Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

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Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

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There is less debris around on the way to mars and this is a known and worsening for the ISS due to its age.

Debris from what? Satellite debris get in that orbit?

Bits of spacecraft falling off (Challenger's windshield was famously cracked by a paint chip), debris from satellite collisions, even anti-satellite weapons tests.

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#42
post #18

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This is just not true. There have been leaks due to micrometers in just about every section of the ship at one point or another. A quick search pulls up examples of US modules having issues, especially around interfaces and seals. NASA had a whole investigation between 2018 and 2021 about the recurring issue.

This is just wrong. All serious issues that turned out to be safety concerns were in Russian modules. The 2018 leak you refer to here was in a Soyuz capsule and the 2021 leaks were in the Zvezda module (same place they are this time). In between there were also minor leaks in the Zvezda connection tunnel.

If you count the Soyuz leak, then the Boeing counts too! That was far more serious than anything you listed.

Two astronauts stranded for nine months taking the ISIS supplies intended for others. This is after they safely docked, which was considered risky at the time.

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#43
post #16

Maybe someone who knows more about the ISS than I do can answer this: Naively, I would assume that there are airlocks between the different sections of the ISS. I would also assume that they would close these airlocks while doing the kind of work they are doing to repair the leaks. So, assuming I'm right (and my assumptions might be wrong,) why do the astronauts need to shelter?

There are normally-open air-tight hatches between modules. Various utility connections and air ducts are normally run through the open hatches so it would take a bit of work to disconnect these connections before they could be closed.

Not exactly something you want to be doing under time pressure.

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#44
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like these structural integrity problems are always inside the Russian section. So if you're on a Russian mission to Mars, yes it would be reasonable to be worried. Otherwise this seems like a non-issue.

This is just not true. There have been leaks due to micrometers in just about every section of the ship at one point or another. A quick search pulls up examples of US modules having issues, especially around interfaces and seals. NASA had a whole investigation between 2018 and 2021 about the recurring issue.

Maybe we can use the goop from those self sealing bike tires to have self sealing space station modules

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#45
post #16

Maybe someone who knows more about the ISS than I do can answer this: Naively, I would assume that there are airlocks between the different sections of the ISS. I would also assume that they would close these airlocks while doing the kind of work they are doing to repair the leaks. So, assuming I'm right (and my assumptions might be wrong,) why do the astronauts need to shelter?

There are normally-open air-tight hatches between modules. Various utility connections and air ducts are normally run through the open hatches so it would take a bit of work to disconnect these connections before they could be closed. Not exactly something you want to be doing under time pressure.

What’s the reason against separate conduit for utilities?

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 10 non-Russian modules have been in vacuum for a quarter century and have done just fine despite facing more debris than in interplanetary space. So yes, this aspect is well tested. This stuff is literally part of the reason why the ISS exists in the first place.

The hubris of forgetfulness; to think that until Elon showed up the West couldn't even put a person in space anymore. The Soyuz, the MIR, the human space records, the Venera program, closed cycle rockets, all have no equivalent in the West. Even their version of the shuttle was superior (it flew 100% autonomously). I don't like Musk, but he single handedly saved the Western space programs.

This sense of national pride based on long past achievements will always be bewildering to me. Do you really think a country that is actively engaged in a full scale open land war and whose economy is in shambles is able to maintain (much less build) a venerable space program? Elon might have saved the American tax payer from the senate launch system jobs program, but the majority of the global space industry is and always has been in the west. Russia has been an afterthought since the collapse of the Soviet Union. And it shows in everything they have done in space since.

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#47
post #16

Maybe someone who knows more about the ISS than I do can answer this: Naively, I would assume that there are airlocks between the different sections of the ISS. I would also assume that they would close these airlocks while doing the kind of work they are doing to repair the leaks. So, assuming I'm right (and my assumptions might be wrong,) why do the astronauts need to shelter?

There aren’t even doors between sections. Airlocks are serious things, there is one or two for station for EVA. There are multiple hatches for docking spacecraft.

One of the innovations of ISS is larger docking adapter with bulkhead that is removed after docking. Russian section still uses hatches. All of the cables go through the docking adapter or hatch which makes impossible to close door or quickly disconnect.

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#48

Imagine something like this happening halfway to Mars and zero chance of escaping, getting any help or parts sent to you.

Sort of like what happened on the Apollo 13 mission in 1970. Engineers on the ground were able to devise a makeshift fix to adapt the control module airscrubber filters to fit the lunar module so the astronauts could shelter in the LM for several days before getting back into the CM and coming home.

Yeah I was thinking about that, the big difference being that you are months out instead of hours/days, if a return to Earth is even possible.

Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#49
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are normally-open air-tight hatches between modules. Various utility connections and air ducts are normally run through the open hatches so it would take a bit of work to disconnect these connections before they could be closed. Not exactly something you want to be doing under time pressure.

What’s the reason against separate conduit for utilities?

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Re: Astronauts told to return to ISS after sheltering over air leak repairs

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just wrong. All serious issues that turned out to be safety concerns were in Russian modules. The 2018 leak you refer to here was in a Soyuz capsule and the 2021 leaks were in the Zvezda module (same place they are this time). In between there were also minor leaks in the Zvezda connection tunnel.

If you count the Soyuz leak, then the Boeing counts too! That was far more serious than anything you listed. Two astronauts stranded for nine months taking the ISIS supplies intended for others. This is after they safely docked, which was considered risky at the time.

You brought it up. I have been talking about structural issues with long term core modules. And that is clearly a Russian issue.
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