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New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

john_strinlai wrote: post #23
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #10

[flagged]

there is something interesting about someone that says " I'm flagging anything I see that is uncivil " in their profile, but says " I think we should have public hangings for anyone who suggests clearing land for AI. " in their comment.

Incivility is when you say something I don't like. I intended this remark to be facetious, but that is actually the definition, according to Wiktionary:

> incivility sense 1: (uncountable) The state of being uncivil; lack of courtesy; rudeness in manner.

> uncivil sense 1: Not civil; discourteous; impolite

> civil sense 2: (comparable) Behaving in a reasonable or polite manner; avoiding displays of hostility.

> reasonable sense 3: Not excessive or immoderate; within due limits; proper.

> polite sense 1: Well-mannered, civilized.

> well-mannered: Having good manners; polite, courteous and socially correct; conforming to standards of good behaviour.

> hostility sense 1: (uncountable) The state of being hostile.

> hostile sense 3: Unwilling.

> discourteous: Impolite; lacking consideration for others.

That's presumably why the feminists developed the concept of "tone policing".

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

binarymax wrote: post #29
OutOfHere wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The submitted link is not even loading. Meanwhile, here are two independent LLM generated "news" article generated from the Assembly and Senate bills respectively: https://gist.github.com/impredicative/483b46ff294be6b69b0a34...

HN hug of death :) @dang can we change the URL to the bill link please?

Contrary to popular belief, dang doesn't get notified when you write "@dang". Consider emailing hn@ycombinator.com instead.

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by runtime_terror »

ecshafer wrote: post #34

Populist nonsense like this is all that New York passes. Data Centers have minimal impact, provides some jobs, and New York needs to upgrade their power system and build more power plants anyways.

Minimal impact as defined by whom? I'm sure they impact those that live around them plenty as well as the price on electricity for those on the same grid.

They provide mostly temporary jobs (and majority imported to boot), after construction they're run with very little staff.

New York needs to upgrade its power grid (source?) so they should force it upon themselves by primitively overloading the grid?

A one year moratorium while impact is investigated, esp considering the current state of datacenters buildout, especially considering many in the US are either unstarted, on hold or abandoned, seems reasonable.

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by runtime_terror »

FergusArgyll wrote: post #22

I don't get it, nyc wants to add government programs, they obviously need to tax something. Here come massive corps willing to invest a ton of money, just tax them at some reasonable rate and voila, you can now pay for city funded grocery stores or whatever

So by your logic if a massive company came and said they want to setup an oil refinery or coal power plant you'd say they should say yes just because they could get tax revenue?

You always have to way the pros and cons of such massive projects.

Plus, this isn't a ban it's just a one year moratorium so impact etc can be studied.

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by zerobees »

ecshafer wrote: post #36
dylan604 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once construction of a data center has completed, how many jobs will they actually be adding? It reminds me of the people saying that oil pipelines are good for jobs, but that's again only a temporary blip during construction. For data centers, for the sheer size of them, they are massively empty of people.

How many temporary and permanent jobs does an empty lot provide? Many temporary and a few permanent sounds much better.

New York doesn't have many "empty lots". If it's agricultural land that's getting converted into datacenters, it probably supports a comparable number of temporary and permanent jobs per acre in the region's climate.

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by declan_roberts »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #4

I clicked the article expecting to see some feel-good political grandstanding (I'm a bit cynical these days) but honestly, this seems like a decent approach. Pause approvals for a year giving breathing room for researching the impacts, and hopefully address them.

Are data centers a new and mysterious technology?

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

sgerenser wrote: post #19
arjie wrote: post #8

Am I the only one who wants a datacenter in his backyard? I actually went down a little over a year ago to get a cabinet down at Hosting.com’s old location round the corner only to find that they’ve been gone from there (and the DC business) for a few years now and the new owners have kept it fallow. I have to drive down to Fremont for a similar price point now. I would gladly have paid 30% more to just go down the s…

It would be worth separating out the “traditional” data centers (which offer things like colocation, and mostly run pretty standard CPU-bound or network-bound workloads) from “AI” data centers (which have racks and racks of extremely dense GPUs or accelerators). It’s really the latter that people should be concerned about due to their much larger scale, higher power draw, and propensity to use dirty, on-site power ge…

> higher power draw, and propensity to use dirty, on-site power generation.

It speaks volumes about the degree to which we've regulated and NIMBY'd and everything else'd utility build out that on site generation in any case other than a blackout so pencils out anywhere in the US save perhaps remote regions of Alaska

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by chrisandchris »

kibwen wrote: post #27
arjie wrote: post #8

Am I the only one who wants a datacenter in his backyard? I actually went down a little over a year ago to get a cabinet down at Hosting.com’s old location round the corner only to find that they’ve been gone from there (and the DC business) for a few years now and the new owners have kept it fallow. I have to drive down to Fremont for a similar price point now. I would gladly have paid 30% more to just go down the s…

Datacenters are extremely loud, you definitely don't want one in your approximate backyard. Ever considered fan noise while shopping for laptops? If so, then you don't want to live within a mile of a datacenter.

Actually cannot confirm. I'm once or twice outside of the Zurich datacenters and I really did not ever realize the sound outside.

Re: New York just passed a one-year temporary ban on data centers

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Post by babypuncher »

declan_roberts wrote: post #46
nazgulsenpai wrote: post #4

I clicked the article expecting to see some feel-good political grandstanding (I'm a bit cynical these days) but honestly, this seems like a decent approach. Pause approvals for a year giving breathing room for researching the impacts, and hopefully address them.

Are data centers a new and mysterious technology?

The mad rush to build datacenters at this unprecedented scale is already wreaking havoc on the consumer economy. The needs of everyday people are far more important than the whims of a few trillion dollar tech companies run by billioinaires.
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